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To cancel our trip to see dad cos of how my brother’s behaving?

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ShellToast86 · 19/07/2025 20:06

Just need to get this out. It’s long, messy, and I don’t even know what I’m asking really

My younger brother (17 end of Aug) moved in with me back in May after my mum basically couldn’t cope anymore. I’m 13 years older than him and pretty much helped raise him. Changed nappies, fed him, school runs, everything. It’s always been me stepping in when mum couldn’t. She’s always had MH stuff – depression, anxiety, agoraphobia – but never got help. She’s not well and hasn’t been for years but just refuses support.

Our dad cheated when my brother was a toddler – around 2 – and they split. Dad actually stayed involved for a long time after, regular contact, weekends, school things. But then moved back to Germany when my brother was around 10/11. That’s when things started to unravel. My brother doesn’t remember the details, just blames dad for “breaking the family”. Won’t speak to him now, blocked him on everything, ignores all his messages. Says he never had a dad. It’s like he’s rewritten history.

He lived with mum until May but things had got really bad. She let him get away with everything – missed school constantly, weed from about 14, hanging out with older lads, no bedtime, no rules. She called it “keeping the peace”. He was her baby and she wouldn’t hear a bad word against him. He knew it too. The last couple years it turned properly toxic – swearing at her, smashing her phone, shouting in her face, threatening her, throwing stuff. She rang me in tears multiple times but still refused to involve social services. Said he wasn’t going into care and it was either me or dad. Dad’s in Germany and my brother won’t even speak his name, so that left me.

He said he didn’t want to live with her anymore. Said she was “too much”, called her pathetic, said he wasn’t her carer. She was scared of him by the end.

So he came to live with me, my partner, and our two boys – one’s 7, the other’s 14 months and has Down syndrome.

At first it seemed like a fresh start. He said he’d redo his GCSEs, go to college in Sept, started going to the gym with my partner, who was trying hard to be a stable influence. He was even getting on with the boys a bit. I thought we were turning a corner.

But then it unravelled fast. He’s back on the weed – every day – stinks of it, red eyes, out late. Vapes indoors even though I’ve told him not to. His room is disgusting – dirty clothes, dirty plates, bottles of piss under the bed. Won’t wash, won’t clean, won’t even open a window. Barely eats unless it’s sugar and junk.

He lies constantly. Even about pointless stuff. Steals – took my partner’s airpods, denied it even when they were sticking out his hoodie pocket. Refuses to follow any rules. Won’t contribute, won’t speak respectfully, just sits around sneering. Then if you call him out, you’re “bullying” him.

He gets angry out of nowhere, or just cold and weird. Can sit in silence for hours with a blank face, then suddenly explode over something tiny. He said something truly vile about my youngest the other week – “why bother with him, he’s never gonna be normal anyway” – and didn’t even flinch. Just said it and moved on. No apology. Like it was just a fact. I didn’t even know what to say.

He does things that make me wonder about ASD. I used to work in an SEN school as a TA so I’ve seen traits before. He stims – finger picks until he bleeds, rocks sometimes, gets really fixated on random things like certain foods, routines, very black-and-white thinking. Can’t cope if things don’t go exactly his way. He struggles socially too – either totally withdrawn or too intense. Doesn’t seem to get boundaries or tone.

I brought up the idea of maybe exploring if he might be autistic – gently, just as a possible support route – and he absolutely lost it. Said I was calling him a freak, smashed a glass, stormed out and didn’t come back for hours. Said I was just like everyone else, trying to label him. He won’t talk about it now.

So now we’re meant to be going to see our dad on Monday. He’s over from Germany and hasn’t seen us in years. I was looking forward to it – dad wants to meet the baby and see my eldest again. My partner can’t come cos of work so it’d just be me, both boys, and my brother. The journey’s brutal – train to London, Eurostar, then train the other side. About 9 hours door to door.

My brother was reluctant to agree to the trip from the start. Said he didn’t care, didn’t want to see dad, had nothing to say. So I mentioned maybe just me and the boys going instead and now he’s done a complete 180. Full blown meltdown. Shouting, storming around the house, saying I’m abandoning him, that I’m just like mum. Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

I’m exhausted. I don’t feel safe travelling that far with him and two young kids and no partner there to help. But if I leave him here, I don’t know what he’ll do – he goes missing when he’s in these moods.

AIBU to cancel the whole thing? Or just go without him?

OP posts:
Elisheva · 20/07/2025 07:42

I wouldn’t take your db to see your dad for many reasons, but the main one is that it’s going to be very traumatic for him and you won’t be able to deal with the emotional fallout of an already broken child confronting the dad who abandoned him.
As a pp said before I don’t think it’s autism, I think it’s attachment, and it doesn’t matter that he’s ’old enough to know better’, he isn’t going to suddenly turn into a well adjusted, well behaved boy without considerable support. This is not his fault, and it’s not your fault, your parents have badly let you both down.
You need professional help to know how to manage him, and he needs professional help to process all the trauma and learn a better way to be. You can’t mend him by yourself.

BogRollBOGOF · 20/07/2025 07:46

Your priority needs to be to your own children.
Your brother needs professional support.
He is still legally your parents' responsibility. You can delegate responsibility back on to them and support services with a clear conscience.

Ponoka7 · 20/07/2025 07:50

@ShellToast86 as said he needs external help, now. I've seen this before, a family member trying to manage and they do, until the person hits 18. Then the person is left without support. The Local Authority etc have a duty of care towards your brother, but that will end. You are putting a sticking plaster over a laceration and it is letting your brother and your children down. Allowing the violent behaviour to just carry on is helping no-one.

NewAgeNewMe · 20/07/2025 07:57

Well firstly I wouldn’t be doing that journey with such youngsters. I’d more likely fly. Your brother sounds troubled, how does your partner tolerate his behaviour? I think he needs professional help before there is too much damage to your own children.

Merryoldgoat · 20/07/2025 07:59

Your brother’s behaviour is understandable but not excusable.

He’s been badly let down by his parents and you seem to excuse their poor performance.

His dad left him when he was 10. That’s quite the rejection.

He needs treatment and patience but he absolutely does need to know you won’t put up with his behaviour anymore.

I find it odd you don’t seem to have any anger towards your parents.

Zellycat · 20/07/2025 08:02

If Bio mum has defo undiagnosed MH … there’s a good chance he has inherited some version of it and it’s showing differently because he’s male, raised my MH unwell person & suffered trauma (more severely than others)

He also using drugs (self medicating)
IMO - start thinking he has MH which might benefit from diagnosis & meds. But getting him there … going to be tough.

No idea where might start in trying to get him help and him being receptive.

everythingthelighttouches · 20/07/2025 08:21

OP it is very striking that you are writing about this massive issue with your very dysfunctional family and risk to your own young children, but your question is about an impossible train trip to see a father who abandoned you.

On the matter of the train trip, obviously don’t go, as others have said. If your father has been living in Germany this whole time, why are you seeing him now? Anyway, he should be visiting you.

On your family situation, It seems like you are an extreme people pleaser and it is toxic and unhealthy. No doubt you have learnt this from years in such a dysfunctional family.

Your brother is not your responsibility to sort out, your own children are. How long is your partner going to put up with this?

You are risking your own relationship and your children’s safety, why?

Somehow, you managed to come out of an extremely troubled upbringing and set yourself up in a stable life, with your own family. But harsh as it may sound, you must protect the next generation from this.

Merryoldgoat · 20/07/2025 08:43

I do find the willingness people have to excuse unbelievably shit parents on this site baffling.

I actually find the 17yo’s reaction more understandable than OPs (not excusable).

Merryoldgoat · 20/07/2025 08:48

Merryoldgoat · 20/07/2025 08:43

I do find the willingness people have to excuse unbelievably shit parents on this site baffling.

I actually find the 17yo’s reaction more understandable than OPs (not excusable).

To be clear, I mean the people who HAVE the shitty parents, not posters in general.

Neemie · 20/07/2025 08:51

Your brother has two parents. They need to be the ones dealing with him. If your mother couldn’t cope, she needed to call social services, not palm him off onto you and your family.

Unlike your parents, you need to take responsibility for your own children and put their needs before your own. You are currently prioritising your relationship with your brother and that is not good. If I was your partner I would want to leave with the children and not come back until your brother was no longer in the house.

It sounds like your brother has mental health problems, possibly existing ones or due to the cannabis. Either way, the cannabis won’t be helping. He will get worse to live with and your relationship with him and the rest of your family will deteriorate. He needs to go back to your mum’s and she needs to contact social services. It will be a long and difficult journey dealing with him, social services and the mental health team but at least your children won’t be living with it.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:20

I would be saying to dad you don't think you can do the trip and try to cash in the train tickets to vouchers to use another time if you can? Unless you fancy the trip of course. Dad should have travelled to you though, I agree it's sad he hasn't.

You need to guard your young kids. The younger your brother is the better for him when professionals are involved.

You can call your LA's duty line or MASH and ask to speak to sommeone, or go via the designated safeguarding lead at your kids school if they haven't already broken up
For holidays. You're thinking that it is a huge step and they'll suddenly take him away to care the moment you call- they will try to support the family and him first that would be a last resort. They would probably put your family on child in need plan due to the risk brother poses and they could do lots for him eg mentoring regularly and finding him stuff to do in the summer.

The bottles of piss in the bedroom- I've only heard of this with extreme ocd. I wonder what's going on.

I hope your brother would be willing to chat to a psychologist about all the changes he's had in his life and how he feels about his parents. It won't initially be sold to him as a process to get a diagnosis.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:25

PeapodMcgee · 20/07/2025 00:27

What the fuck is your Mum playing at, palming him off onto you. He is NOT your responsibility, he never should have been, and he is well old enough to know how to behave. He goes into foster care. Christ alive.

What is dad playing at too this child has two parents. Dad should be stepping up, jumping on a plane, putting him in German rehab over the summer and enrolling him in a German international school for 6th form with regular drug testing.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:27

I had another idea- can you leave little kids with partner, take brother to Germany and dad have him for summer?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:29

I hope
You are getting your brothers child benefit and child maintenance from both his parents btw

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:30

I think those remarks about your youngest, which will have been awful to hear, are him projecting how broken he feels within himself

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:33

nomas · 20/07/2025 07:38

Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

What an entitled little shit. College won’t change him. Prioritise your children and get him out.

He's feeling rejected by everyone and projecting this feeling of rejection onto the only safe consistent person

JMSA · 20/07/2025 09:33

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:27

I had another idea- can you leave little kids with partner, take brother to Germany and dad have him for summer?

How would that work, given he (understandably) hates his dad and would refuse to go?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:34

Elisheva · 20/07/2025 07:42

I wouldn’t take your db to see your dad for many reasons, but the main one is that it’s going to be very traumatic for him and you won’t be able to deal with the emotional fallout of an already broken child confronting the dad who abandoned him.
As a pp said before I don’t think it’s autism, I think it’s attachment, and it doesn’t matter that he’s ’old enough to know better’, he isn’t going to suddenly turn into a well adjusted, well behaved boy without considerable support. This is not his fault, and it’s not your fault, your parents have badly let you both down.
You need professional help to know how to manage him, and he needs professional help to process all the trauma and learn a better way to be. You can’t mend him by yourself.

This

cannynotsay · 20/07/2025 09:39

You need to let him go and get help while he can. You need to focus on your children fast and your partner. It’s shocking to me you’re allowing this behaviour around a 7 year old. Get him out! It’s harsh I know but you’re a mother to your children first not him.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:40

@JMSA you're right - that was an initial reaction that dad should be parenting, but he hasn't for years so why would he start now.
even if brother went, dad wouldn't be equipped to deal with the fallout and behaviour that would happen there and German services wouldn't step in to help apart from arresting or section of him if needed.

Best he gets help in the uk the government that has a duty of care over him.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 20/07/2025 09:41

I wouldn’t visit your father on the grounds that he created this shit show in the first place and you’ve been left to pick up the pieces every time.

Weekmindedfool · 20/07/2025 09:45

Can’t believe your dp has put up with this for so long and can’t believe you havent kicked him out. Why subject your family
to this? You are in endangering them physically and emotionally - you are risking your own relationship with your partner and children. If I was your partner I would have lost the plot by now.

Spanglemum02 · 20/07/2025 09:52

londongirl12 · 19/07/2025 21:10

He doesn’t sound autistic. He sounds like a traumatised child who is not coping. He needs therapy. And I think sitting down and telling him if he carries on this way, he’ll end up in care.
I wouldn’t be going to Germany. You need to put yourself and your 2 kids first in this.

This. Plus you need help from social services, youth services, whoever else you can get. He might be autistic but it sounds like trauma and attachment problems. What's his explanation for bottles of urine under the bed?
Social services will work with him and you. He does need to understand that this cannot continue. I feel for all of you. I agree with others, it's your dad who needs to travel not you.

Spanglemum02 · 20/07/2025 10:02

Also I agree with others could be autism, nut also with could be personality disorder, or bipolar or anxiety.

Social services etc are there to help. You have to prioritise your younger children. Its not 'giving up.on him' it's getting him the help.he needs.

jessycake · 20/07/2025 10:13

I would put the trip off , not only is it extremely stressful , you will spend all the time worrying about what is going on at home .