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To cancel our trip to see dad cos of how my brother’s behaving?

110 replies

ShellToast86 · 19/07/2025 20:06

Just need to get this out. It’s long, messy, and I don’t even know what I’m asking really

My younger brother (17 end of Aug) moved in with me back in May after my mum basically couldn’t cope anymore. I’m 13 years older than him and pretty much helped raise him. Changed nappies, fed him, school runs, everything. It’s always been me stepping in when mum couldn’t. She’s always had MH stuff – depression, anxiety, agoraphobia – but never got help. She’s not well and hasn’t been for years but just refuses support.

Our dad cheated when my brother was a toddler – around 2 – and they split. Dad actually stayed involved for a long time after, regular contact, weekends, school things. But then moved back to Germany when my brother was around 10/11. That’s when things started to unravel. My brother doesn’t remember the details, just blames dad for “breaking the family”. Won’t speak to him now, blocked him on everything, ignores all his messages. Says he never had a dad. It’s like he’s rewritten history.

He lived with mum until May but things had got really bad. She let him get away with everything – missed school constantly, weed from about 14, hanging out with older lads, no bedtime, no rules. She called it “keeping the peace”. He was her baby and she wouldn’t hear a bad word against him. He knew it too. The last couple years it turned properly toxic – swearing at her, smashing her phone, shouting in her face, threatening her, throwing stuff. She rang me in tears multiple times but still refused to involve social services. Said he wasn’t going into care and it was either me or dad. Dad’s in Germany and my brother won’t even speak his name, so that left me.

He said he didn’t want to live with her anymore. Said she was “too much”, called her pathetic, said he wasn’t her carer. She was scared of him by the end.

So he came to live with me, my partner, and our two boys – one’s 7, the other’s 14 months and has Down syndrome.

At first it seemed like a fresh start. He said he’d redo his GCSEs, go to college in Sept, started going to the gym with my partner, who was trying hard to be a stable influence. He was even getting on with the boys a bit. I thought we were turning a corner.

But then it unravelled fast. He’s back on the weed – every day – stinks of it, red eyes, out late. Vapes indoors even though I’ve told him not to. His room is disgusting – dirty clothes, dirty plates, bottles of piss under the bed. Won’t wash, won’t clean, won’t even open a window. Barely eats unless it’s sugar and junk.

He lies constantly. Even about pointless stuff. Steals – took my partner’s airpods, denied it even when they were sticking out his hoodie pocket. Refuses to follow any rules. Won’t contribute, won’t speak respectfully, just sits around sneering. Then if you call him out, you’re “bullying” him.

He gets angry out of nowhere, or just cold and weird. Can sit in silence for hours with a blank face, then suddenly explode over something tiny. He said something truly vile about my youngest the other week – “why bother with him, he’s never gonna be normal anyway” – and didn’t even flinch. Just said it and moved on. No apology. Like it was just a fact. I didn’t even know what to say.

He does things that make me wonder about ASD. I used to work in an SEN school as a TA so I’ve seen traits before. He stims – finger picks until he bleeds, rocks sometimes, gets really fixated on random things like certain foods, routines, very black-and-white thinking. Can’t cope if things don’t go exactly his way. He struggles socially too – either totally withdrawn or too intense. Doesn’t seem to get boundaries or tone.

I brought up the idea of maybe exploring if he might be autistic – gently, just as a possible support route – and he absolutely lost it. Said I was calling him a freak, smashed a glass, stormed out and didn’t come back for hours. Said I was just like everyone else, trying to label him. He won’t talk about it now.

So now we’re meant to be going to see our dad on Monday. He’s over from Germany and hasn’t seen us in years. I was looking forward to it – dad wants to meet the baby and see my eldest again. My partner can’t come cos of work so it’d just be me, both boys, and my brother. The journey’s brutal – train to London, Eurostar, then train the other side. About 9 hours door to door.

My brother was reluctant to agree to the trip from the start. Said he didn’t care, didn’t want to see dad, had nothing to say. So I mentioned maybe just me and the boys going instead and now he’s done a complete 180. Full blown meltdown. Shouting, storming around the house, saying I’m abandoning him, that I’m just like mum. Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

I’m exhausted. I don’t feel safe travelling that far with him and two young kids and no partner there to help. But if I leave him here, I don’t know what he’ll do – he goes missing when he’s in these moods.

AIBU to cancel the whole thing? Or just go without him?

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 19/07/2025 20:09

Frankly I would be changing the locks and preventing him access to the house. You cant have your kids subjected to this.

Thehop · 19/07/2025 20:11

You need to protect your children from this, as it will o lu get worse. You need social services.

SeaGreenSeaGlass · 19/07/2025 20:17

Go, without him if that feels like the safer option.
Legally is your mum still responsible for him? If you're looking after him unofficially perhaps it's time to contact social services. I appreciate he's at the age that he's moving to adult services but you've a lot on your plate and hopefully they have some ideas about options. You shouldn't feel like you have to take him in when he's acting like this - there will be other options, even if they feel wrong, and "I can't do that to him". I don't dispute that he's had a difficult background but you need to look after yourself, your partner and your children. Your younger child is already old enough to pick up on what's going on and the older one shouldn't be exposed to his behaviour. You've tried.

Unfortunately your brother sounds like an angry young man who won't change until he's forced to take responsibility for himself. If you were able to fix him it'd have happened already.

OneJollyPlayer · 19/07/2025 20:21

Who is making the journey, you or your dad as you say "he's over from Germany" but it sounds like you are making a nine hour cross channel journey?

I would refer to social services. It sounds like he needs far more support, intervention and therapy than you can reasonably give now and you have supported as well as you can all his life.

Ooodelally · 19/07/2025 20:22

Having him in your house is a safeguarding risk to your own children. You must be able to see that? I’m sorry, it must be really hard but you’ll never forgive yourself if his disgusting behaviour as a negative impact on your children.

SALaw · 19/07/2025 20:30

You’ve tried your best but it’s time to put your kids first. Neither should be exposed to this. It sounds like he was probably failed by both parents (whether through fault or otherwise) but you can’t be the one that has to sacrifice to resolve that. And your children certainly can’t. You sound desperate to please everyone (eg why isn’t your dad making the journey all the way to you when you have 2 small children, one with additional needs, plus difficult brother?) but it’s time to only please your family unit of 4.

Strawberrri · 19/07/2025 20:30

Can you go to the GP and explain the problem then try to get DB to go. Sounds like he needs to see a psychiatrist - perhaps adhd, autism, bipolar - I don’t know much about these things but possibly your mother had untreated problems too.
I would say don’t go to DF. Try to get something sorted for DB -he is too dangerous with two young children around to let things continue.

What a nightmare for you.

Notouchingmybhuna · 19/07/2025 20:34

A lot of what you’re describing matches criteria for personality disorder which can often be linked to trauma. Your deadbeat dad needs to step up.
Your children are at risk and you need urgent intervention to get him out of your house.

CeciliaMars · 19/07/2025 20:36

This sounds awful but my number one thought is you can’t have him in your house with your 2 young children. He needs to leave. He sounds vile and traumatised, completely broken. He needs a lot of help but I would not have him round my kids - they are your priority now.

ShellToast86 · 19/07/2025 20:44

I know I can’t keep going like this. It’s just… I feel completely stuck. He’s said loads of times he’s not going back to mum’s – calls her pathetic, says she ruined his life, etc. And she doesn’t want him back either really, she’s scared of him. But the thought of calling social services makes me feel sick. I feel like he’d never forgive me. He already has this deep belief that everyone’s given up on him and I think that’d just confirm it in his head. He’d see it as me throwing him away. I know that’s not what it is but try telling him that.

I’m clinging to the hope that once he starts college in Sept he might settle. Just having a proper routine, something to get up for, might help a bit. He’s been drifting for so long with no structure, no purpose, it’s like he doesn’t know how to function normally. Maybe that’ll make a difference. I’m probably kidding myself but I’m just so desperate for something to click.

I don’t know what the long-term answer is – all I can think about right now is this trip. I know it’s not the biggest thing in the grand scheme but it’s turned into this big stress hanging over me. I was really looking forward to it and now I don’t even want to go. I don’t know whether to risk taking him, leave him here (and worry the whole time), or cancel the whole thing. It’s just the here and now I’m trying to figure out.

And to the ones asking – yes, I’m the one doing the journey. Full trip to Germany with both boys, train down, Eurostar, then straight on to Germany and another train on the other side. It’s 9 hours at least, door to door. I hadn’t even questioned why it was me doing the travelling, but someone said it and now I’m like… why isn’t dad coming here? I’ve got two young kids, one with additional needs, plus my brother kicking off every other day – and somehow it’s still me trying to hold everything together. I always end up being the one who keeps the peace.

OP posts:
LurkyMcLurkinson · 19/07/2025 21:07

Personally I would sit him down and lay all your cards on the table. Tell him you’re desperate for your living arrangement to work, because you Iove him, you want to offer him stability and you don’t want him to feel let down by anyone else. Explain though that him staying is conditional on your younger children being safe and not negatively impacted by him. You can explain that that isn’t because you love them more but because they’re very little, have no choice in who they live with and can’t keep themselves safe, whereas he’s much older and he’s choosing how to behave and where to live. Then go through some expectations for behaviour. As a starting point only pick a couple that are most important to you and be really clear, for example you won’t ever smash items in the home. Then ask him what support he needs for him to adhere to them, e.g a gp visit, a referral to camhs, family counselling, individual counselling etc?

londongirl12 · 19/07/2025 21:10

He doesn’t sound autistic. He sounds like a traumatised child who is not coping. He needs therapy. And I think sitting down and telling him if he carries on this way, he’ll end up in care.
I wouldn’t be going to Germany. You need to put yourself and your 2 kids first in this.

JMSA · 19/07/2025 21:12

So sorry, OP. You sound like an amazing person and big sister. And you’re in an impossible situation.
Can I just say one thing though. Your father should be travelling to see you. No man worth his salt would expect you to make a 9 hour journey with small children. And after doing fuck all for years, it’s kinda the least he can do.

JMSA · 19/07/2025 21:14

Sorry, I hadn’t read beyond your opening post and can see that others have already brought this up. Well, I’m glad it has made you question things.

BlueBelle7979 · 19/07/2025 21:15

Your number one priority are your children

whistlesandbells · 19/07/2025 21:18

”if you go without him then don’t bother coming back?” … to your own house?!

OP - you have to ask your brother to leave. You have 2 young children. This is not ok on your children

Ddakji · 19/07/2025 21:19

You criticised your mum for not involving social services and taking th easy route of allowing him to do everything to keep the peace - and now you’re doing exactly the same thing. Only it’s worse because you have children in the house with him. And not fair on your partner.

So do what she didn’t. Call social services.

LobsterPants · 19/07/2025 21:20

LurkyMcLurkinson · 19/07/2025 21:07

Personally I would sit him down and lay all your cards on the table. Tell him you’re desperate for your living arrangement to work, because you Iove him, you want to offer him stability and you don’t want him to feel let down by anyone else. Explain though that him staying is conditional on your younger children being safe and not negatively impacted by him. You can explain that that isn’t because you love them more but because they’re very little, have no choice in who they live with and can’t keep themselves safe, whereas he’s much older and he’s choosing how to behave and where to live. Then go through some expectations for behaviour. As a starting point only pick a couple that are most important to you and be really clear, for example you won’t ever smash items in the home. Then ask him what support he needs for him to adhere to them, e.g a gp visit, a referral to camhs, family counselling, individual counselling etc?

This.

I’d also add that whilst you’re doing an amazing thing taking him in and giving him a chance, you seem quite dismissive of his feelings towards his dad - he did break the family. He had an affair and then bunked off when your brother was a little boy. He may have been a decent dad to you, but it sounds awful for your poor brother.

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 19/07/2025 21:43

Just get db a one way ticket imo. Df can take it from here.

Fleetbug · 19/07/2025 21:45

Dear OP you have an angry verbally abusive teen on drugs in your house. You aren’t safe and neither are your children. Don’t go to your dad- that can wait for another time. You need to remove this young man from your house asap. You are trying to fix him with love and kindness when what he needs is professional intervention- and fast. Call social services and tell them you are unwilling to house your brother due to safeguarding concerns. Why on earth do you think you can solve his v challenging and complex mental health problems- exacerbated by weed? If he had cancer would you be trying to cure him yourself?? It’s no different with mental health. Get help asap!!

Endofyear · 19/07/2025 23:10

I wouldn't make the trip and I'd be questioning why your dad isn't making the journey to see you and his grandchildren? Sounds like a nightmare journey with two small children - don't do it OP.

I think you really need to contact social services about your brother before you reach a crisis situation where someone gets really hurt. Your brother needs help and support that you cannot provide - you have your children to think of and the situation at home will definitely be affecting them. Keep telling your brother that you love him and will be there to support him but that you can't carry on like this. Social Services should be supporting you so get in touch with them ASAP.

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 19/07/2025 23:33

Why are you subjecting your children to this abuse from your brother?
Get him out of your house & out of their lives asap & permanently.
Your responsibility is to your children over & above everyone & everything else.

Pizzagirly · 19/07/2025 23:37

You need to involve SS and protect your children from this chaos.
It really is that simple.

FrodoBiggins · 19/07/2025 23:41

I'm not sure I understand the plan because you said you're setting your Dad as he's "over from Germany" but also that you're going there.
If you were planning to go there, I would reschedule. You can't travel that far with someone so volatile. Eurostar will allow you to change the dates with a minimal if any charge, you can just pick random dates now and then change them again in the future if you need to, I've done this lots.
Sorry for what you're going through, you sound like a very caring sister but I think for your boys' sake you need to escalate this behaviour to SS or other professional support.

Genevieva · 19/07/2025 23:49

Your brother is a drug addict. All the behaviour you describe is consistent with teenage use of cannabis. Left untreated he will likely develop severe paranoia and psychosis. You can’t manage this on your own. You need to involve external help. And yes - your father should make the trip to the U.K..