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To cancel our trip to see dad cos of how my brother’s behaving?

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ShellToast86 · 19/07/2025 20:06

Just need to get this out. It’s long, messy, and I don’t even know what I’m asking really

My younger brother (17 end of Aug) moved in with me back in May after my mum basically couldn’t cope anymore. I’m 13 years older than him and pretty much helped raise him. Changed nappies, fed him, school runs, everything. It’s always been me stepping in when mum couldn’t. She’s always had MH stuff – depression, anxiety, agoraphobia – but never got help. She’s not well and hasn’t been for years but just refuses support.

Our dad cheated when my brother was a toddler – around 2 – and they split. Dad actually stayed involved for a long time after, regular contact, weekends, school things. But then moved back to Germany when my brother was around 10/11. That’s when things started to unravel. My brother doesn’t remember the details, just blames dad for “breaking the family”. Won’t speak to him now, blocked him on everything, ignores all his messages. Says he never had a dad. It’s like he’s rewritten history.

He lived with mum until May but things had got really bad. She let him get away with everything – missed school constantly, weed from about 14, hanging out with older lads, no bedtime, no rules. She called it “keeping the peace”. He was her baby and she wouldn’t hear a bad word against him. He knew it too. The last couple years it turned properly toxic – swearing at her, smashing her phone, shouting in her face, threatening her, throwing stuff. She rang me in tears multiple times but still refused to involve social services. Said he wasn’t going into care and it was either me or dad. Dad’s in Germany and my brother won’t even speak his name, so that left me.

He said he didn’t want to live with her anymore. Said she was “too much”, called her pathetic, said he wasn’t her carer. She was scared of him by the end.

So he came to live with me, my partner, and our two boys – one’s 7, the other’s 14 months and has Down syndrome.

At first it seemed like a fresh start. He said he’d redo his GCSEs, go to college in Sept, started going to the gym with my partner, who was trying hard to be a stable influence. He was even getting on with the boys a bit. I thought we were turning a corner.

But then it unravelled fast. He’s back on the weed – every day – stinks of it, red eyes, out late. Vapes indoors even though I’ve told him not to. His room is disgusting – dirty clothes, dirty plates, bottles of piss under the bed. Won’t wash, won’t clean, won’t even open a window. Barely eats unless it’s sugar and junk.

He lies constantly. Even about pointless stuff. Steals – took my partner’s airpods, denied it even when they were sticking out his hoodie pocket. Refuses to follow any rules. Won’t contribute, won’t speak respectfully, just sits around sneering. Then if you call him out, you’re “bullying” him.

He gets angry out of nowhere, or just cold and weird. Can sit in silence for hours with a blank face, then suddenly explode over something tiny. He said something truly vile about my youngest the other week – “why bother with him, he’s never gonna be normal anyway” – and didn’t even flinch. Just said it and moved on. No apology. Like it was just a fact. I didn’t even know what to say.

He does things that make me wonder about ASD. I used to work in an SEN school as a TA so I’ve seen traits before. He stims – finger picks until he bleeds, rocks sometimes, gets really fixated on random things like certain foods, routines, very black-and-white thinking. Can’t cope if things don’t go exactly his way. He struggles socially too – either totally withdrawn or too intense. Doesn’t seem to get boundaries or tone.

I brought up the idea of maybe exploring if he might be autistic – gently, just as a possible support route – and he absolutely lost it. Said I was calling him a freak, smashed a glass, stormed out and didn’t come back for hours. Said I was just like everyone else, trying to label him. He won’t talk about it now.

So now we’re meant to be going to see our dad on Monday. He’s over from Germany and hasn’t seen us in years. I was looking forward to it – dad wants to meet the baby and see my eldest again. My partner can’t come cos of work so it’d just be me, both boys, and my brother. The journey’s brutal – train to London, Eurostar, then train the other side. About 9 hours door to door.

My brother was reluctant to agree to the trip from the start. Said he didn’t care, didn’t want to see dad, had nothing to say. So I mentioned maybe just me and the boys going instead and now he’s done a complete 180. Full blown meltdown. Shouting, storming around the house, saying I’m abandoning him, that I’m just like mum. Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

I’m exhausted. I don’t feel safe travelling that far with him and two young kids and no partner there to help. But if I leave him here, I don’t know what he’ll do – he goes missing when he’s in these moods.

AIBU to cancel the whole thing? Or just go without him?

OP posts:
Barney16 · 19/07/2025 23:57

I wouldn't go on the trip. i would instead phone ss. He is exhibiting unsafe behaviours around your children and you can't let that go on. He obviously has lots and lots of issues and he needs professional help. You are supporting him yes but he needs more. Try and think of it as helping him, he won't see it like that but he may well do in the future. He's a child and he needs help.

Givenupshopping · 20/07/2025 00:12

Ddakji · 19/07/2025 21:19

You criticised your mum for not involving social services and taking th easy route of allowing him to do everything to keep the peace - and now you’re doing exactly the same thing. Only it’s worse because you have children in the house with him. And not fair on your partner.

So do what she didn’t. Call social services.

This!

Also, cancel the trip to Germany, if your DF wants to see you, then let him do the travelling.

PeapodMcgee · 20/07/2025 00:27

What the fuck is your Mum playing at, palming him off onto you. He is NOT your responsibility, he never should have been, and he is well old enough to know how to behave. He goes into foster care. Christ alive.

Dearnurse · 20/07/2025 00:45

You are wonderful.. but you can't have someone on drugs with all these other behaviour issues in your house , it's unsafe ring social services speak to both your parents, explain to ss your not willing to have him in your home due to these issues & he will either have to go to your mums with support or care ....you can't subject your children to these behaviours anymore x

Murdoch1949 · 20/07/2025 02:55

You have got to put your children first. Your brother is out of control and needs expert help. You need to get social services involved before they involve themselves because of some issue your brother causes. I understand that you will feel guilty but he is not your responsibility, but your children are. You're hoping September will bring a turnaround, but that's 6 weeks away, will your family survive until then? If your brother manages to get help, even wants help, and turns himself around then maybe he could return to you, but not in the state he's in and currently you're not the best person to help him.

99bottlesofkombucha · 20/07/2025 03:16

I’d call your dad and say he had to come visit you, you can’t make the journey.

Velmy · 20/07/2025 03:50

I'd be more inclined to deal with the brother issue as a priority here. It's obviously having a negative effect on you, it'll be having a negative effect on your partner - whether he acknowledges it or not but more importantly, it's going to impact your children at some point, and that isn't acceptable.

You can change your Eurostar dates and as PP have said, your dad can come and visit you.

Whatever your brother's issues are, and it sounds like he has multiple (behavior, drugs, mental health), he's still switched on enough to emotionally blackmail you. You need to understand that while he will try and frame you involving social services as 'abandoning' him, you're actually doing what's best for your family and ultimately him too.

He's had free reign with everyone tip-toeing around him for too long. He needs to learn that his actions have consequences, and with behavior as appalling as his, those consequences will be severe.

If there is a good person inside him, one day he'll come to terms with the fact that you did the right thing for him, and you'll be able to work on your relationship. If not, you'll be able to rest easy knowing that you did the right thing for your family.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 20/07/2025 04:04

Oh gosh. You’ve carried so much responsibility for so long in your life. I really feel for you. You’ve been amazing supporting your brother in this way for so long.

I’d personally be tempted to take him. The change of environment may help him see things and process in a new way. I’d probably speak to him about your dilemma. Ask him what he’d do in your shoes and remind him you want the best for him and that he’s still young enough to turn his life around for the better.

All the best with it all. You sound like such a great person.

AgentJohnson · 20/07/2025 04:10

He sounds very traumatised given your Mums MH issues and your Dad abandoning him. However, you simply aren’t equipped to handle his many issues and now it’s time for your waste of space dad to step the hell up! Your Dad sounds just as selfish as ever if he isn’t making the journey to you.

Take him and leave him with your Dad or don’t go.

Toodles89 · 20/07/2025 04:49

Making the trip to Germany to see DF might have made DB angry again - I think it'd be reasonable for him to think if DF cared he'd do the running around.

You've had all the advice above.
You have tried.
Call SS and get proper intervention to help him get better and keep your DC safe.

And yes, cancel trip. Tell DF why - both dB and too difficult a trip.

whynotmereally · 20/07/2025 04:53

I would contact ss anyway, not to have him removed (at this stage) but for some support. It sounds like he masked initially but can’t maintain it. It could be Sen or childhood trauma /attachment issues . He really needs therapy to help him manage his anger, come to terms with his past and develop more positive coping skills.
He lashes out to test you to see if you will abandon him too, only you can decide how long you will tolerate this for and you need to be mindful of the impact on your kids.

AbzMoz · 20/07/2025 05:13

The trip to see your father is simply incompatible with your life right now. You cannot make it with your two kids without support, and the added anxiety about brother coming or not is too much. Father either comes here or it gets postponed. Remove that as a stress immediately.

Does your brother have a job? It’s great he has enrolled at college and alongside that he needs to start thinking around his transition to adulthood. Do you get any financial contribution from his parents for him? Those proceeds could be invested / saved into a deposit on a flat for in a few years or support uni / apprentices whatever he does next. Can you discuss how and where he wants to be at eg 21, and what he and you will both do to make sure that’s a successful plan? He’s undoubtedly got some reason to feel the way he does but it is unacceptable to lash out and not seek help or have a plan for change.

and - it’s a non negotiable that he apologised for his remarks about your youngest and is not left alone with him. Respect and love for family cuts both ways.

Zapx · 20/07/2025 05:28

Firstly - no way would I be considering a 9 hour journey - you’re heroic for even considering it imo! Could you fly? If not, 100% get your Dad to come to you. I’m also sure I’d not want a 17yo who stinks of weed to come… Imagine if they have sniffer dogs etc.

Re your brother. I think you need to sit down with him (and your partner if possible). Say you simply cannot cope with his behaviour any more. Warn him that if he storms out during the conversation you will call social services immediately. Then lay out some absolutely basic rules: you will not be verbally abusive to my children. You will not smash things in the house. You will not go missing such that I do not know where you are. You will stop smoking in the house. And then… if he breaks them OP you have to escalate this I think. I’d imagine if someone (eg at your child’s school) works out what’s going on you could well get social services involvement anyway, and not on your terms.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this.

Velmy · 20/07/2025 05:35

Zapx · 20/07/2025 05:28

Firstly - no way would I be considering a 9 hour journey - you’re heroic for even considering it imo! Could you fly? If not, 100% get your Dad to come to you. I’m also sure I’d not want a 17yo who stinks of weed to come… Imagine if they have sniffer dogs etc.

Re your brother. I think you need to sit down with him (and your partner if possible). Say you simply cannot cope with his behaviour any more. Warn him that if he storms out during the conversation you will call social services immediately. Then lay out some absolutely basic rules: you will not be verbally abusive to my children. You will not smash things in the house. You will not go missing such that I do not know where you are. You will stop smoking in the house. And then… if he breaks them OP you have to escalate this I think. I’d imagine if someone (eg at your child’s school) works out what’s going on you could well get social services involvement anyway, and not on your terms.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this.

I honestly think it's past the point of conversation now. He already knows she can't cope with his behavior anymore, that's why he's using the threat of it to blackmail and her.

I think it's time for OP to rip the bandaid off for the entire family and let her brother get the help he needs.

Zapx · 20/07/2025 05:39

@Velmy yes you’re probably right - not sure if the OP would find it easier to give him a last chance and warning though (although based on what’s going on I’d be amazed if he could change and stick to it given the weed)

BlackCoffeeAndSugar · 20/07/2025 05:44

You know as soon as your child mentions this at school you will be referred to SS anyway? And they aren't going to look favourably on you and dh for having a drug addict with bottles of piss lying around . Esp with a disabled baby too.

This situation is ridiculous. Everyone is tiptoe around him. Nothing will change at college. You need to get real.

You are complicit in this now and are allowing your children to see this. Ss should have been called YEARS ago. Your brother has been failed by not having professional help.

Lifehaslifedme · 20/07/2025 05:56

Sorry OP.You can’t “fix” him or everything.If you suspect ASD,then he will not cope with College at all. He is behaving however he wants with no consequences. He is smashing things and saying inappropriate things and you are letting him.You are not protecting your children.If I were your partner,I would take the kids and leave it to it since you are protecting bad behaviour which will only get worse.You can’t help him.He needs external help..rehab,therapy etc. It is time to involve social services and put a plan to help him in place.

thepariscrimefiles · 20/07/2025 07:00

It sounds as though everyone in your family, your mum, your dad and your brother are completely selfish apart from you. You cannot keep your brother in your home. His behaviour is indefensible and you and your children shouldn't have to put up with this.

Both your parents should feel ashamed at washing their hands of your brother and expecting you, with two young children, one of them with Downs Syndrome, to take on the responsibility of an out of control teenager.

Contact Social Services and tell them that you can't have him in your home any more. He is your mother's responsibility as he is under 18 and they need to deal with your mother.

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 20/07/2025 07:10

I agree with everything everyone else is saying.

he is not your priority, your children are.

call social services. Your mum took the easy way out and it didn’t end well. By not calling them you are doing the same but the fall out will be much bigger because you have young children at home.

Yellowbirdcage · 20/07/2025 07:16

Message both your parents and let them know you can’t have your brother any more.
Tell your brother his behaviour means he can’t live with you any more. Give him a date to move back to mum’s. Tell social services.
Cancel the 9 hr trip. Tell dad to come to you. If he doesn’t bother or doesn’t offer to everything he can to help you then he’s just behaving the way he always has. Sad for you but you’re not going to change him.

You have done enough. You don’t need to do any more. You don’t need to feel guilty about anything. You have done enough

tara66 · 20/07/2025 07:19

I also think trip as you describe it - 9 hours? - is too difficult for you to take alone

  • but why would you not fly to Germany anyway?
I think you DO need help from Social Services and you DB should go into care.
Elderflower2016 · 20/07/2025 07:22

Call your dad and get him to come to you, another day if necessary. Hopefully you can use your train tickets another time
Caling Childrens Services if in Uk offers several levels of support. Not “taking children away”. Sounds like this is the time to ask for that support.
view his behaviour through the lens of a traumatised child that is testing out who in the world actually cares about him.
lay down 3 ground rules for living in your home. 1st being the drugs
well done you for caring. Caring is also holding firm boundaries like you and your partner are doing.
dont take things he says personally about you or the kids. He won’t mean them.

Pricelessadvice · 20/07/2025 07:27

Phone SS and get this waste of space out of your house. I know his issues are linked to drug use and lack of boundaries but he’s not safe to be around your children and they shouldn’t be growing up around this sort of behaviour.

nomas · 20/07/2025 07:38

Told me if I go without him “don’t bother coming back.”

What an entitled little shit. College won’t change him. Prioritise your children and get him out.

Velvian · 20/07/2025 07:41

Your dad needs to get his arse over to you and intervene. Stop twisting yourself into pretzel shapes to do the job that your parents should be doing?

Do you think you might be autistic @ShellToast86 ? I ask, as i think I am (my 3 DC are) and I have a similar problem with people pleasing and wider family responsibility, to my own detriment.

You have 2 young children, one with a significant SEN, your dad should be coming to you and should be incredibly grateful for what you have been doing in his absence.