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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To invite the grammar and language pedants to share their pet peeves?

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AlertCat · 19/07/2025 14:33

AIBU to feel annoyed when I see people say Slither instead of sliver? It was even in a book I read recently. A slither of cake. No! That makes no sense, unless the cake’s been trodden into the carpet!

Also see: step foot in instead of set foot in

There’s plenty of others but those will do for now.

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 20/07/2025 19:43

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2025 19:32

Yes, it’s cut and dried, not cut and dry.

Cut and dry is also correct.

"Why does “cut and dry” persist? It may have been reinforced in the early 18th century, when smokers began referring to tobacco as “cut and dry.” As the OED says, “cut and dry” was a noun phrase used elliptically to mean “cut and dried tobacco.”

MistyGreenAndBlue · 20/07/2025 19:43

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2025 15:28

Another instance is their spurious objection to split infinitives. We should continue to boldly go regardless of their excessive pedantry!

Which leads us to ‘irregardless’ …no!

It always irritates me when some supposed grammar pedant on an American TV show (looking at you Sheldon Cooper) brings these so-called grammar rules up.

I just think- no YOU are the ignorant one here. English isn't a Latin based language. It literally doesn't matter.

mrpenny · 20/07/2025 19:56

i agree..it’s not uncommon to hear it now but I would argue that current ( arguably ‘incorrect’) use is because people don’t recognise the standard form ‘ cut and dried’.

The Grammarphobia quote you presented has to drag out a singular example from the seventeenth century, so, yes, I’d still argue that it would not be used in formal contemporary English…🙄

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 19:57

Imply vs infer...

Mumtobabyhavoc · 20/07/2025 20:19

mrpenny · 20/07/2025 19:56

i agree..it’s not uncommon to hear it now but I would argue that current ( arguably ‘incorrect’) use is because people don’t recognise the standard form ‘ cut and dried’.

The Grammarphobia quote you presented has to drag out a singular example from the seventeenth century, so, yes, I’d still argue that it would not be used in formal contemporary English…🙄

😂I had a laugh at that because "from the Latin" has been said to justify a lot on this thread.
The Grammarphobia blog also cites earliest uses of cut and dry'd, so I'd argue your point is irrelevant.

I've heard "cut and dry" more often than "cut and dried" fwiw.

BreadandButterscotch · 20/07/2025 20:22

Itallcomesdowntothis · 19/07/2025 23:18

I don’t understand. En route is French for on the way so surely it is right?

Yes, en route is correct. On route is not.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/07/2025 20:32

ErrolTheDragon · 20/07/2025 15:28

Another instance is their spurious objection to split infinitives. We should continue to boldly go regardless of their excessive pedantry!

Which leads us to ‘irregardless’ …no!

AFAIk it was 18thC grammarians who decreed that because a Latin infinitive, cannot be split - and Latin was to them a perfect language - you should not therefore split an English one.
Which is clearly bollocks.

MasterBeth · 20/07/2025 20:35

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/07/2025 18:07

Thank you,I have been confused by this.

I blame Steve Wright In The Afternoon.

He brought this Americanism into British English through his shows that were plagarised heavily influenced by US radio.

MasterBeth · 20/07/2025 20:38

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 19:13

Most of mine are already upthread but I hate "watch back", any kind of management bollocks and "shop the collection" - that just sounds wrong, but am I correct in thinking that "shop" isn't a verb? I always say "go shopping" and think of "go" as the verb. Have I been wrong all these years?
Those objecting to "needs done" it's a perfectly acceptable Scots usage.
Finally a gem I saw this morning "I was surpost" meaning "supposed".

And "shop the collection" is a perfectly acceptable, originally American usage.

It's interesting to note what people feel is allowable or not.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/07/2025 20:40

Floatlikeafeather2 · 20/07/2025 09:34

That's all interesting stuff, thank you. But my point still stands. Biscuit means "twice cooked". The point of them being cooked twice was to make them crisp and crunchy, quite the opposite to a "biscuit" in the States. For what it's worth, home cooks in Britain tend to make cookies rather than true biscuits, because biscuit making is a specialised technique. We buy biscuits and make cookies.

The oat biscuits I make now and then (exceedingly moreish BTW) are baked just once, for max 10 minutes. And the recipe calls them biscuits, not cookies.

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 20:52

@MasterBeth
I don't like it, which is stylistic, but I can, grudgingly, accept it. What bugs me is whether or not "shop" is a verb or whether it's a noun which became a verb, like "medal" in sports commentary...

Isittimeformynapyet · 20/07/2025 20:56

MasterBeth · 20/07/2025 20:38

And "shop the collection" is a perfectly acceptable, originally American usage.

It's interesting to note what people feel is allowable or not.

When it suddenly started appearing in promotions over here (UK) I just assumed it was a more aggressive way of saying "browse the collection". It felt like a pathetic attempt to make me subconsciously believe I was going to buy something. So I don't like it.

Also, when I grew up people "made" decisions. Now everyone "takes' them. Again, more aggressive. I missed that meeting! I don't like that either.

mrpenny · 20/07/2025 20:57

Mumtobabyhavoc · 20/07/2025 20:19

😂I had a laugh at that because "from the Latin" has been said to justify a lot on this thread.
The Grammarphobia blog also cites earliest uses of cut and dry'd, so I'd argue your point is irrelevant.

I've heard "cut and dry" more often than "cut and dried" fwiw.

Edited

Yeah me too but it’s still wrong fwiw

mrpenny · 20/07/2025 21:00

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 20:52

@MasterBeth
I don't like it, which is stylistic, but I can, grudgingly, accept it. What bugs me is whether or not "shop" is a verb or whether it's a noun which became a verb, like "medal" in sports commentary...

Really?? As in ‘ she medalled ‘they have been medalled ‘ etc???? Would be really interested in that usage

Barbadossunset · 20/07/2025 21:10

Really?? As in ‘ she medalled ‘they have been medalled ‘ etc???? Would be really interested in that usage.

Yes, it was used frequently in the last Olympics - I’m not sure when it started. I dislike it but I guess it’s here to stay.

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 21:11

@mrpenny ,
Exactly that! The first time I heard it was "he medalled in Beijing"...

mrpenny · 20/07/2025 21:12

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 21:11

@mrpenny ,
Exactly that! The first time I heard it was "he medalled in Beijing"...

Ah, Ok. Interesting…hadn’t heard that!

ASeriesOfTubes · 20/07/2025 21:15

AllMyExesWearRolexes · 20/07/2025 20:52

@MasterBeth
I don't like it, which is stylistic, but I can, grudgingly, accept it. What bugs me is whether or not "shop" is a verb or whether it's a noun which became a verb, like "medal" in sports commentary...

Are you happy with "shopping" and "shopper"? Both of which imply the existence of "shop" as a verb.

RitaIncognita · 20/07/2025 21:28

Barbadossunset · 20/07/2025 21:10

Really?? As in ‘ she medalled ‘they have been medalled ‘ etc???? Would be really interested in that usage.

Yes, it was used frequently in the last Olympics - I’m not sure when it started. I dislike it but I guess it’s here to stay.

But "verbing" of nouns has always been a feature of English. Do you butter your bread? Do you salt your food? Do you mail a package? Do you text a friend? Do you google a subject?

As for shop, yes, it is a verb, especially in American English. In fact a British usage that always sounds odd to my American ears is "doing the weekly shop." The noun "shop" in American English almost always means the place where the shopping occurs.

Beachtastic · 20/07/2025 21:32

RitaIncognita · 20/07/2025 21:28

But "verbing" of nouns has always been a feature of English. Do you butter your bread? Do you salt your food? Do you mail a package? Do you text a friend? Do you google a subject?

As for shop, yes, it is a verb, especially in American English. In fact a British usage that always sounds odd to my American ears is "doing the weekly shop." The noun "shop" in American English almost always means the place where the shopping occurs.

and I shop for food once a week...

trainedopossum · 20/07/2025 21:34

Yay or nay
Hit and miss

Isittimeformynapyet · 20/07/2025 21:36

trainedopossum · 20/07/2025 21:34

Yay or nay
Hit and miss

What about them? Apart from yea?

Sharptonguedwoman · 20/07/2025 21:39

ASeriesOfTubes · 20/07/2025 21:15

Are you happy with "shopping" and "shopper"? Both of which imply the existence of "shop" as a verb.

There’s a word I can’t remember for these words in Latin, nouns that act like verbs. Maybe gerunds? Any Latin people out there?

trainedopossum · 20/07/2025 21:46

Isittimeformynapyet · 20/07/2025 21:36

What about them? Apart from yea?

It’s hit or miss; you can’t hit and miss.

Isittimeformynapyet · 20/07/2025 21:47

trainedopossum · 20/07/2025 21:46

It’s hit or miss; you can’t hit and miss.

Ah yes, thanks 👍🏻

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