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We cannot trust NHS after NHS Fife’s misogynistic bullying of a nurse

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Jennps · 17/07/2025 05:55

NHS tried to fire Sandie Peggie and bully her out of her job just for insisting on female only changing rooms. They tried to paint her as far right in court. They made her life hell. Hounded her out of her job by suspending her. Peggie was cleared in her tribunal yesterday.

The male ‘doctor’ identifying as a woman who was complicit in this said in court that he thinks biological sex is a nebulous dog whistle. Imagine that. That’s a doctor who is treating patients who has unilaterally re-written the fundamental laws of human biology health sciences. Would you want to be treated by a doctor like that?

How can patients trust the NHS?

Why should taxpayers be on hook for NHS’ misogynistic bullying of women?

Why haven’t the bosses of NHS Fife need fired?

How is a misogynistic male doctor who doesn’t understand the bilological between men and women allowed to treat women?

How is this batshit situation allowed to happen? And why is the public accepting it?

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Roseblooms7 · 17/07/2025 06:07

Are you a journalist? What do you think?

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 06:10

It’s astonishing how many people are willing to beclown themselves for gender ideology. Watching people lie so ridiculously in court is incredible. Yesterday the NHS Fife EDI head said she didn’t know her sex as she doesn’t know her chromosomes - she has a degree in immunology which is very sex specific. previously DrUpton testified he was a biological woman. He’s a doctor!!

Sandie Peggie’s employment tribunal has a further 9 days scheduled so it’s not over yet.

SP was cleared of all charges in a separate investigation at work - this has been ongoing for 18 months. The doctor made several complaints including accusations of SP leaving a patient as she didn’t want to be with the doctor. SP was cleared of these ridiculous “revenge” charges (how dare you challenge me I’m a lady etc) on the eve of the tribunal resuming.

SP sued the NHS & Dr Upton.

SP wants this played out in court and is not interested in settling AFAIK.
SP is marvellous.

Butchyrestingface · 17/07/2025 06:12

NHS Fife has had a number of high profile cock-ups in the press over the past 10-15 years, although, tbf, the two major stooshies were at Ninewells.

This (unfortunately) is really the least of it.

There are on-going threads on the subject over on FWR though. Smile

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 06:20

The issue of our NHS’s prioritisation of gender ideology over so much else is an issue for everyone. It’s not just a FWS issue.

the op is correct that the institutional capture of NHS is deeply concerning for everyone.

Jennps · 17/07/2025 06:23

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 06:10

It’s astonishing how many people are willing to beclown themselves for gender ideology. Watching people lie so ridiculously in court is incredible. Yesterday the NHS Fife EDI head said she didn’t know her sex as she doesn’t know her chromosomes - she has a degree in immunology which is very sex specific. previously DrUpton testified he was a biological woman. He’s a doctor!!

Sandie Peggie’s employment tribunal has a further 9 days scheduled so it’s not over yet.

SP was cleared of all charges in a separate investigation at work - this has been ongoing for 18 months. The doctor made several complaints including accusations of SP leaving a patient as she didn’t want to be with the doctor. SP was cleared of these ridiculous “revenge” charges (how dare you challenge me I’m a lady etc) on the eve of the tribunal resuming.

SP sued the NHS & Dr Upton.

SP wants this played out in court and is not interested in settling AFAIK.
SP is marvellous.

Isn’t a man calling themselves a biological woman in court just plain lying? How is this not an offense. Its is an outright lie.

This is totally mind boggling.

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Shedmistress · 17/07/2025 06:24

Currently being documented and recorded in the threads below.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5353762-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-3

myplace · 17/07/2025 06:26

It’s a total cock up.

However, it is subject to the court system and thanks to brave women is being challenged.

This isn’t an NHS issue, it’s been happening everywhere. It’s egregious because the NHS should know better, and because the NHS cannot afford this kind of malarkey.
The NHS has other serious issues- I don’t actually think this is one of the most important for the NHS. Though it is for all women in all places, obviously.

Jennps · 17/07/2025 06:30

myplace · 17/07/2025 06:26

It’s a total cock up.

However, it is subject to the court system and thanks to brave women is being challenged.

This isn’t an NHS issue, it’s been happening everywhere. It’s egregious because the NHS should know better, and because the NHS cannot afford this kind of malarkey.
The NHS has other serious issues- I don’t actually think this is one of the most important for the NHS. Though it is for all women in all places, obviously.

On the surface it may mot be most important issue. But it points to the most important issue.

NHS is misogynistic. NHS is run by incompetent idiots who should be be allowed anywhere it. NHS is employing doctors who don’t understand science. All of these things make the institution ridiculously incompetent, frivolous with cash and dangerously unfit.

It’s utter madness.

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SpinachSpinachMoreSpinach · 17/07/2025 06:30

Roseblooms7 · 17/07/2025 06:07

Are you a journalist? What do you think?

Maybe read the OP again……. slowly this time…

Jennps · 17/07/2025 06:33

Roseblooms7 · 17/07/2025 06:07

Are you a journalist? What do you think?

I think the you missed a couple of theories - AI and Russian bot.

Try harder.

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kiwiane · 17/07/2025 06:39

The effects of Stonewall policy ie TWAW has affected single sex provision, collection of data on gender in place of sex, and gaslit us all. These policies still stand today in NHS hospitals as those responsible for changing them are staff like Isla Bumba.
It is still dangerous to speak out for single sex provision; our politicians, NHS managers and unions have stepped aside.
We still have diversity training courses that state we should accept that children as young as 3 may present as trans - surely in the past this would be a safeguarding issue? Common sense is out of the window. Sex matters in healthcare - Drs renouncing biology is worrying; the BMA leadership have rejected the CASS review.

myplace · 17/07/2025 06:44

I suspect one of the issues for the NHS is its gargantuan size. It’s a behemoth with a lot of momentum. It must be like trying to turn the QE2.

Though they don’t appear to have started trying yet. Perhaps this will be the moment the nerve signals finally make it back to the brain.

PurpleAxe · 17/07/2025 06:44

Gender idealogy is the stupidist shit at the top of the really big pile of stupid shit.

I write off anyone who supports this nonsense as either crazy, stupid, or evil. Maybe even all three. From there on in you are fit only to be poked at for amusement.

Personally it has put me rather in favour of climate change and war. I feel like clearly we have reached a point where humanity needs a good clearing out and resetting.

Dumbest thing I have ever observed.

Badgerandfox227 · 17/07/2025 06:46

It’s worrying that doctors in the NHS are arguing under oath that they are a biological female, when they are male. Of all places, the NHS should never have let this happen.

TeenToTwenties · 17/07/2025 06:49

I think you are muddled.

The internal NHS procedures have finally cleared her of gross misconduct.

The employment tribunal is still ongoing.

The clearing was announced the evening before the resumption of the tribunal.

Itsnottheheatitsthehumidity · 17/07/2025 06:51

I agree. How are these delusional pr*cks not being held in contempt of court?

How can you practice medicine effectively if you can't determine the two different sexes apart?

Utter clowning.

GrouachMacbeth · 17/07/2025 06:51

There was an article - I think I'm the Scotsman but it may have been the Guardian, mentioning not only the trans ideology fascism but also that this case was indicative of class warfare. "I am a Doctor, a jolly good middle class type and you are a scummy lower class nurse - I Am Always Right".

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 06:59

myplace · 17/07/2025 06:44

I suspect one of the issues for the NHS is its gargantuan size. It’s a behemoth with a lot of momentum. It must be like trying to turn the QE2.

Though they don’t appear to have started trying yet. Perhaps this will be the moment the nerve signals finally make it back to the brain.

Strangely the NHS managed to embed gender ideology at all levels (including deep data coding https://dailysceptic.org/2025/05/13/the-nhs-no-longer-recognises-the-reality-of-biological-sex/ )

fairly swiftly & effectively. Its removing it that’s difficult.

but when you have doctors that swear under oath they are the opposite sex & DEI managers who claim it’s impossible to know even your own sex without genetic testing, and the rest of the NHS revolving around these people, or at least smiling & nodding along with it, it’s deeply concerning for us all.

see also collapse of any sensible leadership from NHS Scotland & failure of good governance & leadership from the Scottish Government who are tits deep in the gender bollocks madness.

wear what you want. think about yourself how you want. No one cares.

But we do care if Medical professionals are prepared to lie about the very foundations of humanity (sex is real, binary, immutable & important in life & law) and think they can get men into women’s spaces against womens rights, against the law & against all common sense. This is an issue for everyone.

just like the FWS case at the Supreme Court, Sandie Peggie is a women taking on the system to get women’s legal rights upheld by the state.

The NHS No Longer Recognises the Reality of Biological Sex – The Daily Sceptic

It's going to take more than a Supreme Court judgment to flush gender pseudoscience out of the NHS, says Caroline Ffiske. In every policy and definition the NHS has dropped biological sex in favour of subjective feelings.

https://dailysceptic.org/2025/05/13/the-nhs-no-longer-recognises-the-reality-of-biological-sex/

AlwaysFreezing · 17/07/2025 07:07

Can I just say that I love your use of the inverted commas in the op? Not where I was expecting to see them and it made me chuckle.

I do completely agree with you. How can a doctor peddle this nonsense? Of all the people?

Anyone know the doctors speciality?

Limonades · 17/07/2025 07:09

Are you a journalist?

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 07:11

I think the doctor is doing rotations & the incidents with SP were in A&E.

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 07:25

GrouachMacbeth · 17/07/2025 06:51

There was an article - I think I'm the Scotsman but it may have been the Guardian, mentioning not only the trans ideology fascism but also that this case was indicative of class warfare. "I am a Doctor, a jolly good middle class type and you are a scummy lower class nurse - I Am Always Right".

Time will tell but it seems fair to say that the “middle classes” have been responsible for embedding gender bollocks into the NHS, BBC, civil service, schools, universities, arts etc.

they sneer at anyone who questions it & accuse dissenters of “transphobia”. When seeing a man is a man is “transphobic” you know we are dealing with unserious people attempting to impose ridiculous (and let’s face it completely unnecessary) ideas onto us all.

it’s shocking to me how harmful “gender stereotypes” are now prioritised over the results of our bodies sex. How the “true self” narrative needs medical mutilations to play out. How we are telling children they can choose their sex.

gender ideology is a luxury belief promoted by idiots, and inflicted on us all.

At the end of the day we di not agree to the elimination of women’s single sex spaces. The men who really really want into womens changing rooms etc are the men who really should be kept well out of them.

the flip side of allowing men into women spaces because some idiots believe them or want to “be kind”, is we now have teenage girls taking themselves into men’s single sex spaces. Who is the more vulnerable- the man in the gents, or the teenage girl in the gents?

myplace · 17/07/2025 08:16

RobinEllacotStrike · 17/07/2025 06:59

Strangely the NHS managed to embed gender ideology at all levels (including deep data coding https://dailysceptic.org/2025/05/13/the-nhs-no-longer-recognises-the-reality-of-biological-sex/ )

fairly swiftly & effectively. Its removing it that’s difficult.

but when you have doctors that swear under oath they are the opposite sex & DEI managers who claim it’s impossible to know even your own sex without genetic testing, and the rest of the NHS revolving around these people, or at least smiling & nodding along with it, it’s deeply concerning for us all.

see also collapse of any sensible leadership from NHS Scotland & failure of good governance & leadership from the Scottish Government who are tits deep in the gender bollocks madness.

wear what you want. think about yourself how you want. No one cares.

But we do care if Medical professionals are prepared to lie about the very foundations of humanity (sex is real, binary, immutable & important in life & law) and think they can get men into women’s spaces against womens rights, against the law & against all common sense. This is an issue for everyone.

just like the FWS case at the Supreme Court, Sandie Peggie is a women taking on the system to get women’s legal rights upheld by the state.

It’s interesting isn’t it? I suspect the genuine need for proactive EDI to counteract embedded racism, homophobia and misogyny was deliberately and calculatedly subverted to become the vehicle to push Genderism. And I’m genuinely shocked by the various PIE type connections. It feels like tinfoil hat thinking, but when you read WPATH, Foucault, and all the other stuff my brain read but promptly forgot… there was a coordinated effort to drive this forward. In plain sight, and all that.

Jennps · 17/07/2025 11:24

Limonades · 17/07/2025 07:09

Are you a journalist?

Why? Are you?

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Jennps · 17/07/2025 11:26

AlwaysFreezing · 17/07/2025 07:07

Can I just say that I love your use of the inverted commas in the op? Not where I was expecting to see them and it made me chuckle.

I do completely agree with you. How can a doctor peddle this nonsense? Of all the people?

Anyone know the doctors speciality?

Edited

An A&E doctor apparently.

Imagine putting your life in the hands of someone who doesn’t understand X and Y chromosomes.

But then again, Scottish people vote for this. Not sure they mind too much.

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