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Thread 8: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 16/07/2025 23:41

Well, this has turned out to be slightly longer than the dozen or so replies I expected when I started the first thread!

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

2nd Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the four Observer items above before posting.

To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Please do not engage with possible visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail.

We have done amazingly well together - in the main that is, not mentioning any names but you know who you are! - for seven threads so far. I can't be on the threads as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion ticking along in a healthy and civil fashion is very welcome.

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ThatFluentHedgehog · 17/07/2025 19:55

Merrymouse · 17/07/2025 19:40

I think very complicit, by the time they got to the third book.

I see the publishers' wrongdoing as separate from the Walker-Winns'. I don't think they set out to publish a fake true story – but equally don't think they did anywhere near sufficient factchecking (if any!). Even if that's the norm I think it's basically selling under false pretences to not properly check something you put on the cover as a unflinchingly honest and market as a true account.

Hopefully this saga might lead to more background checks on non-fiction, as PPs have also wished for.

However, it's now disappointing that PRH have to all intents continued to support SW's version of events after The Observer articles and other reports have come out. Although the subtext of the postponement of Book 4 speaks volumes, I'd like to see that as actual text from them!

AldoGordo · 17/07/2025 20:02

ChirpySnail · 17/07/2025 19:36

Yes, I have wondered how much, if any of the coast path they have actually walked.
when I read the book, which I loved when it was first out, I was disappointed by the lack of description of my personal favourite sections. She seemed to talk about the obvious features only. Things you could know without actually walking the entirety of it.
following the recent revaluations ( I do feel extremely disappointed) I thought I’d re read the book, only I find I gave it to a friend ages back so I don’t have it. But I want to read it again to see if I’m correct. Because I wondered if using the Paddy Dillon book, the went and visited sections , walked a very sort bit, made notes ( as shown in the photo their copy of the book) and constructed the story from that.

It's available here for free:

www.thetedkarchive.com/library/raynor-winn-the-salt-path

FurryHappyKittens · 17/07/2025 20:02

I don't think there's any way of ever establishing how much of the path they walked

Agreed.

If that's the path Chloe H is going to go down, I don't think it's a particularly productive one.

Applepie32 · 17/07/2025 20:03

FurryHappyKittens · 17/07/2025 20:02

I don't think there's any way of ever establishing how much of the path they walked

Agreed.

If that's the path Chloe H is going to go down, I don't think it's a particularly productive one.

Agree

Uricon2 · 17/07/2025 20:07

GetADogUpYa · 17/07/2025 19:16

@everyoneon Channel 5 now

Thank you. It's Cornwall: A Year by the Sea Season 1:3. Raymoths bit starts at 05:20.

There are stick piles.

AldoGordo · 17/07/2025 20:08

Uricon2 · 17/07/2025 20:07

Thank you. It's Cornwall: A Year by the Sea Season 1:3. Raymoths bit starts at 05:20.

There are stick piles.

But were they made using ancient methods??

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:22
  1. there seems to be 100% buy-in from many on this thread to the notion that the Observer team must have done their homework and would have had the scoop thoroughly checked by their legal team. I wouldn’t take this for granted. The power here lies with the paper. How many victims of a shoddy scoop can afford to sue for libel? Cases drag on for years. They can also be v costly (including the prospect of having to pay the other side’s legal fees if unsuccessful). I imagine that there are other reasons why Winn would decide not to sue, including having her life story dragged through the mud for a second time, with all that entails. Implying that an unwillingness to sue is evidence of guilt is unfair.
  2. there is zero evidence that the author has been advising other CBS/CBD sufferers that they should try walking as a possible cure for the condition. She has recounted Moth’s personal experience in her books. There is nothing to answer for here. She wasn’t trying to flog angel water or guided walks on the coast path.
  3. CBS/CBD is a disease that is poorly understood by medical professionals. The author recounted that Moth’s condition was slow progressing. Why hold her to the same standards as a medical professional when slamming her for not being (clinically) precise about the condition being atypical? Slow progressing / atypical are close in meaning. But how is any of this relevant? Moth has some good days and some bad days seemingly. That’s his experience. If other sufferers read too much into the account of his illness, is it fair to blame him/Raynor?

BTW, I reserve the right to not use my glasses when compiling a post. Who cares about a typo or two? Or is literary perfection a prerequisite for participating on this thread?

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:23

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 17/07/2025 18:48

I logged on, saw 128 new messages and wondered what on earth had happened.

Panic over, just one of those planted flouncy posters who wants to let us know they think we are all nasty harradinds and flounce off again.

I am certainly flouncy in the way I dress.

Bruisername · 17/07/2025 20:29

I think you need to read some of the posts from people with neurological condition and how the narrative in her NON-FICTION book can be devastating for people. Plus her rebuttal letter includes medical letters that don’t back up her narrative in the books. Which is odd

as for the embezzlement and the financial set up - nothing she said properly denied it tbh and I would have thought her statement would have been more unequivocal and ended with ‘we will be taking legal action against the observer’ etc if the observer were on the wrong path. there is a paper trail there that can be put together - it’s not just hearsay

SwetSwetSwet · 17/07/2025 20:31

I just saw the C5 program. Re the log piles in the orchard, they are curious, as it's bits of stick, not traditional logs for burning. It's more like they've gathered the sticks into piles while clearing the orchard, to burn later. But that doesn't tie in with the ecological interest.

FurryHappyKittens · 17/07/2025 20:33
  1. She hasn't denied she embezzled money from Martin Hemmings. She can deny it (if it isn't true) without suing anyone. A denial would cost her nothing.Yet she hasn’t denied it.

That's the springboard for everything else.

sualipa · 17/07/2025 20:39

This is in many ways great writing - spoiler alert - THE END

When we’d stopped laughing and turned around, Lantivet Bay was below us, and beyond that the familiar sight of Pencarrow Head. We walked painfully slowly, stopping to look around every few minutes, excited to get to the end but willing it not to come. That night, not some disconnected night in some possible future, but that night we would unpack our rucksacks and unroll our sleeping bags on an unknown floor. Over the next few weeks we would sell off most of our remaining possessions to pay for a hire van to move what little we needed to Polruan. Moth would begin a degree without any real hope of surviving to the end of it. I would look for a job and start writing. And out of thin air, out of loss and pain and fear, we would be as happy as we were when we were twenty.

When it couldn’t be delayed any longer we walked over Pencarrow Head. Our homeless trail was over. We sat on a bench overlooking Lantic Bay, our rucksacks propped together, and shared the last of a pack of wine gums. The peregrine swooped close by, following the line of the cliff down towards the bay before soaring back up and out of sight.

A figure appeared out of the gorse, wearing the same coat and hat he had a year ago, walking with the same stick.

‘She’s been back a week now. She’d gone same day you were las’ year. Knew you were comin’, told them all you were comin’, that she were bringin’ you back. It’s a sign, i’n’ it.’

He headed slowly away to the road as the sun began to drop on the horizon and the mist lifted in the hollows.

We hadn’t been afforded the luxury of time for the shockwaves from our past to play out and then – as in any good nature-redemption story – to go off into the wilderness to refind our way in life. Bad things had hit us in the face like a tidal wave and would have washed us away if we hadn’t found ourselves on the path. Our journey had drained us of every emotion, sapped our strength and our will. But then, like the windblown trees along our route, we had been re-formed by the elements into a new shape that could ride out whatever storms came over the bright new sea. I thought about the two teenagers wrapped up in the essence of each other, of a passion that had lasted for most of my life, of heavy rain and burning sun, of a peregrine soaring free on the thermals of the cliff edge, of two molecules that were held together by little more than an electrical charge, a charge that had been strong enough to form a powerful bond, but a bond that one day soon might break. At last I understood what homelessness had done for me. It had taken every material thing that I had and left me stripped bare, a blank page at the end of a partly written book. It had also given me a choice, either to leave that page blank or to keep writing the story with hope. I chose hope.

I had no idea what the future would bring, how it would be shaped by the months spent living wild on the Coast Path. All I knew was that we were lightly salted blackberries hanging in the last of the summer sun, and this perfect moment was the only one we needed.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 17/07/2025 20:42

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:22

  1. there seems to be 100% buy-in from many on this thread to the notion that the Observer team must have done their homework and would have had the scoop thoroughly checked by their legal team. I wouldn’t take this for granted. The power here lies with the paper. How many victims of a shoddy scoop can afford to sue for libel? Cases drag on for years. They can also be v costly (including the prospect of having to pay the other side’s legal fees if unsuccessful). I imagine that there are other reasons why Winn would decide not to sue, including having her life story dragged through the mud for a second time, with all that entails. Implying that an unwillingness to sue is evidence of guilt is unfair.
  2. there is zero evidence that the author has been advising other CBS/CBD sufferers that they should try walking as a possible cure for the condition. She has recounted Moth’s personal experience in her books. There is nothing to answer for here. She wasn’t trying to flog angel water or guided walks on the coast path.
  3. CBS/CBD is a disease that is poorly understood by medical professionals. The author recounted that Moth’s condition was slow progressing. Why hold her to the same standards as a medical professional when slamming her for not being (clinically) precise about the condition being atypical? Slow progressing / atypical are close in meaning. But how is any of this relevant? Moth has some good days and some bad days seemingly. That’s his experience. If other sufferers read too much into the account of his illness, is it fair to blame him/Raynor?

BTW, I reserve the right to not use my glasses when compiling a post. Who cares about a typo or two? Or is literary perfection a prerequisite for participating on this thread?

  1. The Observer gave her a right of reply. Rather than present evidence she just produced a waffly statement how the book represented the spiritual and emotional journey they went on. That right to reply is the powerful moment and just trotting out some weird waffle was ill judged at best

2&3 - it's telling the charity have cut all ties. It's curious the first letter post dates the walk by some time. I'm afraid if you look back over these threads there are ample clips and extracts from the books that present this as some kind of miracle cure. People with a public platform have a huge amount of responsibility. Would you make the same arguement about Belle Gibson's claims?
I have a rare manifestation of a rare neurological condition so while I want to sympathise on this point, I find the wildly different yet contemporaneous descriptions of Moths symptoms concerningly inconsistent. It seems clear Moth is struggling with some symptoms, but beyond that it seems there is a lack of clarity. And that's often the case with rare conditions. But the messaging around the walking "cure".has caused harm.

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:42

sualipa · 17/07/2025 19:00

Probably on Thread 2, I suggested to a "contrarian poster", ‘You’re late to the party bring a rope.’ I should’ve added: ‘Bring an axe as well!’.

Thanks for the warning @sualipa

happy to challenge the BS cloaked in moral high ground on this thread. For example, the characterisation of the wife who did not sign the NDA but who knew that it existed and what it was signed for (ie non disclosure) who felt it ok to reveal all as victim.

I’m just asking folks on here to get a grip and think about the impact of what they’re doing/saying. Does this author - who has given so much pleasure to so many - deserve to have her entrails ripped out by a group of hungry hyenas? I say no.

I’m not a plant. I just disagree with many of you that Winn is evil personified.

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:45

Aspanielstolemysanity · 17/07/2025 20:42

  1. The Observer gave her a right of reply. Rather than present evidence she just produced a waffly statement how the book represented the spiritual and emotional journey they went on. That right to reply is the powerful moment and just trotting out some weird waffle was ill judged at best

2&3 - it's telling the charity have cut all ties. It's curious the first letter post dates the walk by some time. I'm afraid if you look back over these threads there are ample clips and extracts from the books that present this as some kind of miracle cure. People with a public platform have a huge amount of responsibility. Would you make the same arguement about Belle Gibson's claims?
I have a rare manifestation of a rare neurological condition so while I want to sympathise on this point, I find the wildly different yet contemporaneous descriptions of Moths symptoms concerningly inconsistent. It seems clear Moth is struggling with some symptoms, but beyond that it seems there is a lack of clarity. And that's often the case with rare conditions. But the messaging around the walking "cure".has caused harm.

I imagine that the charity panicked - the accusations were dreadful. I wouldn’t take their action as evidence of Winn’s guilt. Again, it’s just supposition,

FurryHappyKittens · 17/07/2025 20:46
  1. Tim was supposedly given less than two years to live in 2013. She writes this in TSP.

Yet wasn't sort of diagnosed till 2015.

And in 2019 the consultant thought it might be something else entirely.

Throughout the books she posits her husband's recovery during walking as nothing short of miraculous.

She speaks of brain scans showing degeneration, then further scans done after walking as clear.

She may not directly tell people to copy her husband, but she shows by example what could be possible.

Instead of standing up for Sally Walker perhaps read some of the testimonies by people given hope through reading about Tim.

Read about those with the disease who felt guilt for not trying hard enough, or guilt for not pushing their loved ones who suffered.

OpenThatWindow · 17/07/2025 20:46

@humankindness there has been no hard evidence supplied by the Winns to cast doubt on any of the Observer's articles/findings. Sally/Raynor's statement is evasive and non committal, trying to plaster over canyon sized cracks in her story.

The book Salt Path is not a truthful journey of human endeavour - it is a constructed, exaggerated, in parts fabricated story - a re-writing of history to appeal to a specific readership, for which the publishers must share some responsibility too.

If Sally/Raynor is of the same mindset as yourself, then I fear she genuinely believes her own re-writing of her wrongdoings perhaps in order to minimise her own deep-seated guilt and, in her mind, the world is against her (much like you see the posters on this thread).

I'm afraid many now see RayMoth's journeys as self-appointed jolly jaunts in an effort to escape the real world, rather than connecting to it.

A dubious diagnosis, 'mistakes' made during empolyment, NDAs, an undisclosed French property, a property owner who kindly allowed a stay on his Cider Farm left feeling confused and gaslit, unsettled family members - these are parts of the real 'unflinchingly' true story, all without description in any of the 3 books. Pretty big things to miss out.

The Winns would be better to admit all and come clean, they'd have a better chance of things working out for them.

sualipa · 17/07/2025 20:47

I got Chat to gut the ending - SAVAGELY !

By the time we stopped laughing—not with joy, but with the smug breathlessness of people who knew they were about to get paid—we turned around for dramatic effect. Below: Lantivet Bay, looking exactly like the kind of moody coastal landscape you slap on a book cover to trick people into thinking this is deep. Beyond that, Pencarrow Head, the lighthouse of literary closure. All perfectly framed, all exquisitely rehearsed.
We limped forward, not out of exhaustion, but for pacing. We were dragging out the final act like actors who knew this was the Oscar scene. Stopping every few minutes—not to marvel, but to let the moment swell. To soak in the idea of our own suffering. We wanted the end. But only after it gave us everything it could.
That night, not a night torn from time, but a box we ticked in the final chapter draft, we would lay out our rucksacks like sacred relics on someone else's floor. Within weeks, we’d liquidate the curated remnants of our possessions—not for survival, but for optics. Moth would start a degree he had no intention of finishing, not because he couldn’t, but because the tragedy of almost finishing plays better. I would write, of course. Always writing. Nothing fuels prose like performative despair.
And somehow, like magicians pulling rabbits out of grief, we’d summon joy. Fake it into being. Backdate it to our twenties. Because nostalgia’s cheaper than hope, and easier to sell.
Eventually—inevitably—we crossed Pencarrow Head. The “homeless journey” (read: half-funded sabbatical with better PR) was done. We sat down on a conveniently symbolic bench, shared the last of some metaphorical sugar, and posed like saints in Gore-Tex. Our rucksacks touched like they were about to get engaged. And wouldn’t you know it—a peregrine, the bird equivalent of a literary cameo, did a fly-by like it was getting royalties.
Then, as if conjured from the script, a man emerged from the gorse. The same gorse. Always the f*ing gorse. Wearing the same outfit, because subtlety was never our strong suit.
“She’s back. Said she was bringin’ you. Told ‘em all. It’s a sign.”
Of course it’s a sign. What else would it be? We wrote it that way.
He shuffled off into the mist, which obligingly lifted as the sun set, because the sky itself had been bullied into cooperating with our narrative arc.
We never suffered honestly. The tidal wave didn’t hit us—it brushed us. We weren’t swept away; we leaned into it, arms wide, eyes on the lens. Every tear filtered, every blister pre-monetized. We didn’t get lost and found again—we choreographed a loss, then rented a compass.
We weren’t bent by nature. We bent nature to fit a blurb.
We weren’t the wind-torn trees—we were the stylists in the background, snapping branches for atmosphere.
I thought of our teenage selves—not people, but plot devices. Two co-dependent metaphors dressed in wet socks and the illusion of rawness. Bound not by love, not even by memory, but by mutual ambition and an unspoken agreement never to break character.
Homelessness didn’t cleanse us. It didn’t strip us bare. It dressed us up. It gave us a costume, a backstory, and a moral. It was never loss. It was leverage.
I didn’t find clarity on that path. I found a brand.
And now, as we sat pretending to be ruined and reborn, we were neither. We were actors in the final still of a performance that got wildly out of hand. Lightly salted, overripe, camera-ready blackberries hanging in the last of the summer sun.
And even that line was fake.

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:47

Aspanielstolemysanity · 17/07/2025 20:42

  1. The Observer gave her a right of reply. Rather than present evidence she just produced a waffly statement how the book represented the spiritual and emotional journey they went on. That right to reply is the powerful moment and just trotting out some weird waffle was ill judged at best

2&3 - it's telling the charity have cut all ties. It's curious the first letter post dates the walk by some time. I'm afraid if you look back over these threads there are ample clips and extracts from the books that present this as some kind of miracle cure. People with a public platform have a huge amount of responsibility. Would you make the same arguement about Belle Gibson's claims?
I have a rare manifestation of a rare neurological condition so while I want to sympathise on this point, I find the wildly different yet contemporaneous descriptions of Moths symptoms concerningly inconsistent. It seems clear Moth is struggling with some symptoms, but beyond that it seems there is a lack of clarity. And that's often the case with rare conditions. But the messaging around the walking "cure".has caused harm.

Based on your first point I’m wondering if you’ve read the long rebuttal put out by Winn after the initial short statement?

Bruisername · 17/07/2025 20:49

Who said she is evil personified? Actions have consequences and haven’t we seen a lot of celebs facing those the last couple of weeks!!!

as for Mrs hemmings and the NDA - the most distasteful part of this whole saga is the way people have gone after the hemmings - it’s clear she was reluctant to talk but clearly felt justifiable anger towards SW

and NDAs are pieces of crap ultimately and anyone who relies on one to try and hide their bad behaviour is morally dubious

FurryHappyKittens · 17/07/2025 20:51

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:47

Based on your first point I’m wondering if you’ve read the long rebuttal put out by Winn after the initial short statement?

Oh, we've all read that! 😂

Uricon2 · 17/07/2025 20:51

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:42

Thanks for the warning @sualipa

happy to challenge the BS cloaked in moral high ground on this thread. For example, the characterisation of the wife who did not sign the NDA but who knew that it existed and what it was signed for (ie non disclosure) who felt it ok to reveal all as victim.

I’m just asking folks on here to get a grip and think about the impact of what they’re doing/saying. Does this author - who has given so much pleasure to so many - deserve to have her entrails ripped out by a group of hungry hyenas? I say no.

I’m not a plant. I just disagree with many of you that Winn is evil personified.

Rather hyperbolic. Also, lots of very dodgy people have given so much pleasure to so many. It doesn't undodgy them or turn them into saints.

NetZeroZealot · 17/07/2025 20:53

It’s precisely because I enjoyed the book so much that I’m upset that it turns out to have been based on a tissue of lies.

AzureStaffy · 17/07/2025 20:54

Don't know if this has been posted before but it's Giles Whittell (writer, journalist) talking to Chloe Hadjimatheou and her editor about the original Observer article. They were both 'floored' by the response to their disclosures. This video only went up in last couple of hours.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZR6tV0irA8

Humankindness · 17/07/2025 20:55

Bruisername · 17/07/2025 20:29

I think you need to read some of the posts from people with neurological condition and how the narrative in her NON-FICTION book can be devastating for people. Plus her rebuttal letter includes medical letters that don’t back up her narrative in the books. Which is odd

as for the embezzlement and the financial set up - nothing she said properly denied it tbh and I would have thought her statement would have been more unequivocal and ended with ‘we will be taking legal action against the observer’ etc if the observer were on the wrong path. there is a paper trail there that can be put together - it’s not just hearsay

Again, is it the author’s fault if other sufferers interpret Moth’s experience of CBD as somehow applicable to them? I sympathize of course, but as I said before there is no snake oil in this book,

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