One million immigrants claiming benefits

[AnxiousApocalypse]

Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

None of that makes their arrival illegal. The fact that you don't like it doesn't matter. If you want people to seek asylum legally, you have to make it possible to do so, and right now it isn't.

It's not semantics, it's facts. Firstly, people claiming asylum aren't 'illegal' and secondly, they can't claim benefits.

A UK national can claim far more than £7 and, if on benefits, gets far more than an asylum seeker. If we're sympathising, I wouldn't want to be trapped in limbo for years on £8 a week.

That is factually not true. Only about 17% of immigrants in recent years have come over on a high skilled work visa. There rest are dependants or students. Students usually for Mickey Mouse degrees as crap universities that should no longer be kept open.

They are definitely NOT all a benefit to society, and paying into the system

To all those saying ‘no access to public funds’

You can literally google it and it’s the first result:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1999/33/section/95

It states support is given to destitute asylum seekers.

this gives more info on the financials:

https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information-and-resources/rights-and-entitlements/support-options-for-people-with-nrpf/home-office-support/section-95-asylum-support

To say nothing is taken from the public purse isn’t true. Hotels cost, security of the hotels costs, the food costs, the legal aid costs.

You can empathise but it is, infact, a cost.

It is semantics.

Its costing billions irrespective of if its under your particular banner of welfare or not?

I’ve written my post three times and deleted it and there is just no way to post the truth on a forum such as this.

Since the invention of social media it’s clear that most people are deeply stupid and so keen on looking like good generous people, that they literally sacrifice everything to do so. Because in truth they don’t have to sacrifice a thing, these issues never touch them. Virtue signalling is like an extreme sport these days.

Those who look two hundred years into the past and find cultural norms lacking think they are modern day heroes. It blows my mind that you would gladly throw your country to the wolves to make up for deeds of people who have been dead for 150 years.

There is a lot of reporting available online if you are willing to look. ONS and other agencies track data and the net impact of migration is fiscally negative, even taking into account those who are skilled and come here earning large salaries.

If people want to work, pay tax and integrate I’m all for it. But no I do not want to import people into social housing and welfare benefits. The youth of this country are despondent as they have no hope of housing or good jobs. This country is working against the British people at the moment and it’s dreadful.

I gather you prefer them to be destitute?

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Sure. You provide the evidence that asylum seekers can claim benefits and we'll say it's a fact.

I understand that you'd like to see asylum seekers starving in the streets but they're entitled to assistance under the Refugee Convention. On one hand you don't want men with different values and on the other, you don't seem to share Western values.

So, there should be more legal routes. Take people off concentration camps, with their documents. Mothers with children, maybe? Those actually in need.
Those arriving to British soil before any claim are illegal entries. We do not know who they are. But I know they had more resources than the ones left behind to die. More since they board and substenance has decimated our foreign aid budget.

He will be working illegally avoiding taxes.

Leading question.

My point was this is costing public funds. It’s not free. It does have an effect on public services and budgets. It affects housing.

It’s costing billions and how can you be sure we’re helping those truly in need this way? I can’t. I apologise but the fact it’s 95% young men concerns me.

Once their immigration status is processed, is when they can start claiming benefits. They immediately move to the top of the social housing list as they usually know no other people in UK to stay with so automatically have priority. More than 50% of social housing in London now goes to foreign born citizens.

Over 70% of the boat people are young, fighting age men. Usually have left their wife and children at home (apparently in a country so dangerous they had to flee). How many of these people do you believe actually integrate properly and are a benefit to society? They are coming here because they’re told the streets are paved with gold and will get lots of hand outs. Theres always exceptions but most are not genuine refugees.

This is what is making people so angry, but so much of the left are completely blind to their own sanctimony.

@AlertEagle

Perhaps even delivering your take away.

I agree that we should provide safe and legal routes

Would you be happy with the same number of people granted asylum via those routes are they are now?

You can keep spouting all the nonsense under the sun of what you think I’ve said with no proof I’ve said it.

I said - it costs the public. I’ve provided sources that it costs. To say there’s no ‘benefits’ is in bad faith as you know there’s money going to them.

I wouldn’t want them starving in the streets. I wouldn’t have them coming over in boats in the first place. I’d be putting something into law that you have to apply from your country of origin. I’d also be more France and stop hotels and cushty living. I’d also have quotas on women and children. There’s many things I’d actually do that don’t require hyperbolic statements that are so childish.

Concentration camps? Who lifted your rock?

They past other safe countries. They're coming to Britain because they know we're daft.

So what would you do then? Not give them accommodation and food?

Agree. Agree. Agree. 👏

There are many reasons they come here, maybe daft is one of them but that does not make it illegal

Can someone not share western values but not want the piss taken out of us by the immigrants and the government who are doing bugger all to stop it?

@TreatTreat

Really? Germany take significantly more than we do.

Is that just your assumption?

Not accommodation like they get, but detention centres and there square meals a day and shared toiletries. That's it.

Even if they are so poor that they don't pay income tax, they do pay sales tax.
That contribution should be obvious. Are you going to claim they don't buy anything next?