One million immigrants claiming benefits

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Just been reading the comments sections of the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail articles about the one million foreigners claiming benefits in the UK. It feels like the final nail in the coffin and a lot of people will feel even more justified in expressing their anger and hate towards immigrants. What happens when Reform win the next general election and come into power? Will people be rounded up en masse and put in detention centres like the USA?

Would you prefer they were left on the beach?

European countries all have different cultures. Albania is vastly different to France for example (including in crime stats). ‘EU Nationals’ is far reaching.

I read an article recently about a failed asylum claimant who was staying in a hotel and then after his claim failed he ran away and they cant trace him anymore.

And this government has been massively more successful than the Tories in sending people back who have over stayed or lost their case.

He won't be claiming any benefits

yes 👏

That number is definitively not small! These are illegal entries! They should be close to zero.

No, that's impossible. Illegal immigrants have no right to claim anything.

You’re always allowed to claim public funds if you have any of the following:

• British or Irish citizenship
• settled status from the EU Settlement Scheme
• indefinite leave - unless you came to the UK on an adult dependent relative visa
• refugee status or humanitarian protection
• right of abode

If you don’t have a right to be in the UK, you can’t claim public funds.

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It is not illegal to claim asylum.

To claim asylum, refugees need to be on British soil.

There are hardly any safe and legal routes, so they take the irregular route, risking their live on a small boat

Why should the UK not take in refugees?

Would you prefer to concentrate them in a camp?

Yes but 95% of small boat crossings thus far have been given asylum seeker status so they are claiming.

The unreasonable bit is anyone believing anything written in those right wing, hate filled rags that have the cheek to call themselves "newspapers"

I don't see a long fence or gate along the English channel, nor border force, immigration and passport control there - although no open borders at airports, I'll give you that.

Well, that's incorrect because asylum seekers can't claim benefits, as outlined above.

Do they get free goats too?

The only illegal immigrants in the UK are the failed asylum seekers who are supposed to be deported and then go into hiding and probably work in the black economy. They are not claiming any benefits.
As above it is perfectly legal to enter the UK and claim asylum. There are no other routes to take.

They don’t need to be “given” status. They’re seeking asylum.

I suppose it’s semantics.

I would consider a hotel, NHS care, (and even though it’s ‘measly’ to some) that £7 or £8 that’s currently offered a week a benefit.

I wish you could understand that to some, that £7 or a hotel stay would go a long way and to see it given away is a tough pill which breeds resentment. It’s about empathising with both sides of the debate.

They're busy running councils.

Sure.

Lets say they all are.

Why have border force at all at this point? We should believe everyone who turns up with no papers.

What benefits? Most asylum seekers have no recourse to public funds which means they can’t access benefits or social housing. what are they allegedly claiming?

We do not grant 100% of asylum claims.

Where do you suggest refugees stay whilst going through the process?

Until their cases are heard yes they are asylum seekers with no recourse to public funds.

We don’t believe anyone. There’s a process to determine right to remain. If their claim fails they’re deported.

I didn't ask for anything. I hadn't posted any such request. It was someone else. And it wasn't hostile. You asked someone else for facts and when they gave you facts you said that the facts were "left leaning" - that is a spurious argument that relies on no evidence or facts, disputable or not. I do not agree that the rise of the "right wing" (I would dispute it is about a "right wing" - populism is, in my view, a different animal) is data. And nor did I comment on (or care about) your political affiliation.

Disagreeing with people is allowed - and I was disagreeing with you. If you don't like it, that is (in your words) "on you". Which was definitely a rather hostile take for someone accusing others of being hostile.

BTW, you might want to tell your AI that there isn't such a phrase as "non tangible". It's "intangible".