4 yrs for cutting down tree, no jail time for rape

[Barnbrack]

Why are 2 men being given custodial sentences for cutting down a tree when men convicted of rape regularly get suspended sentences.

Is an important tree more important than a random woman! Justice system seems to think so.

Yes it is

That's essentially my point
.the level of disproportion is mind boggling.

What does it say about how society views the suffering of rape victims?

Nah. This wasn't about that trees ability to give oxygen

Women are fairly important, as a group, to the continuation of the human race.

It’s about evidence !!! I don’t know how you can even compare the two crimes?

From a quick google
*Specialized Prisons:
HMP Whatton: This prison is dedicated to men convicted of sexual offenses.

HMP Rye Hill: This private prison has exclusively housed sex offenders since 2014.

HMP Stafford: This prison focuses on rehabilitating sex offenders and has a population of around 750 inmates.*

but there’s more

I don't think the Sycamore Gap sentence is excessive. If we don't want to live in a society where inadequates like these two can destroy things that are important to the rest of us for mindless fun with impunity, then there needs to be hard consequences. 'It's just a tree' is a recipe for not valuing or protecting anything - not a world I want to live in.

Clearly the same applies to sexual violence and we haven't got it right there. It's mind-blowing that convictions don't always lead to custodial sentences.

missing the point - there wouldn’t be any women without trees

YANBU at all. It's a shame about the tree and it was totally unnecessary but sycamores are like weeds (I detest the bloody things) and it was ultimately just a tree.

My husband and I are bloody livid. Someone is handed a 4 year sentence for chopping down a tree and rapists and killer dangerous drivers get away with pathetic sentences.

This country is a joke. A total joke.

Are you a man then?

By this logic no tree should ever be cut down, and by that measure of value that tree wouldn’t be any more special than a street sycamore that was planted 150 years ago. In fact it’d be less valuable. Nonsense.

The average sentence for an adult convicted rapist in the UK is 10 years. The minimum sentence is 4 years.

4 years means 2 years, 2 years means early release. They'll be out in less than 12 months. Even the judge said only 40% should be in actual prison. A low tariff crime like this means they won't be subject to many restrictions when out. So it's not long at all.

It says literally nothing. Comparing rape with trees is like comparing shit with apples.

This is spot on

You and your husband should be more livid about your lack of critical thinking.

I can see, I'm being facetious

And that’s the law. She’s applied the law. She gave the maximum sentence. And they’re not dangerous and they’re unlikely to reoffend.

Why?

I do wonder about sentencing guidelines. Kill the 3 passengers in your car through careless driving- 2 years (local accident). Chop down a pretty tree- 4 years.

No they don't. They are housed separately from mainstream prisoners.

Edited to add in Scotland at least.

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So is it ‘just a tree’ or not ‘just a tree’? Or do you not know what the word facetious means?

Are you aware there are different categories of prisons?

How do you know that ?

Yes I am. why?

They will do a third of their sentence. They got away lightly.