Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

[MidnightPatrol]

A child has died in Liverpool as part of an outbreak of measles. 17 are currently hospitalised with it in the city, as part of a wider outbreak.

73% of children in Liverpool are vaccinated against measles - vs an England average of 84%.

A rate of 95% immunisation is required for herd immunity. No child in the UK needs to be getting measles - we can vaccinate against it.

In Liverpool, there is a risk of a widespread measles outbreak due to this low rate of immunisation - it is very infectious, so the risk to the population is significant.

If you are a parent that doesn’t get your child vaccinated, why?

Should the government not be using further incentives to encourage people to take up vaccination - are a third of Liverpudlians really against vaccinating their children?

Should non-vaccinated children be limited from accessing nursery or schools (as in other countries)?

Rubella vaccination isn’t needed because he’s male? What?

It is absolutely staggering how few people seem to understand the very simple concept of herd immunity.

The risk of vaccine damage is not a greater risk than the diseases themselves pose. Absolute fact. Why do you find it so hard to grasp?

Sadly, that is true.

Yes it is an active movement almost a cult.
I have come across some of them near me. They were ranting at me in the street during covid because I was wearing a mask. Linked masks to the holocaust. And this from a highly educated person with medical background.
They have lecture tours around the world and many fans who bring in others and finance them.

Is he also never going to meet anyone who could be pregnant?

The child who died had leukemia - then contracted measles and pneumonia, i think the media left that bit out. Just saying BTW. I agree with vaccinations and all mine have had theirs

That doesn't change the fact that irresponsible people who refuse to vaccine escalated his untimely death.

My DM was immun-compromised she died from Covid, she would probably be still here, had covid never happened.

Without the measles outbreak the sick child might be alive today.

Her theory is that women should protect themselves. Not saying I agree but she is unlikely to vaccinate him unless she can have it singly. I think there are more like her out there.

She is clearly an idiot.

Why? Her DS isn't at risk. Overcautious perhaps but not an idiot.

The child may not have contracted measles in the first place if it were not being spread and kept active by the non-vaxxed though.

The genuinely vulnerable depend on herd immunity and vaccine uptake.

You have to be joking. Have either you or your friend actually heard of herd immunity?

Of course we have. Idiotic of you to think otherwise.

I said way back I think she's wrong but I can understand why she feels as she does. He thoughts are that only half the herd needs to be immune.

Yes yes, you said you disagree with her.

However the fact you can understand her reasoning suggests you don’t understand the concept any better than she does.

Her reasoning is moronic.

Frankly, those children aren't my priority. Children like my son who went through cancer treatment last year and are medically vulnerable are my priority.

They are entitled to be safe at school.

My son had a different blood cancer and caught so many things when he had no immune system. Even a common cold made him quite poorly and he also ended up with a nasty staph infection plus sepsis twice and a chest infection.

The poor family.

Why do YOU guys find it so hard to grasp my personal feelings?

I'm not repeating it yet again.
I've seen enough in RL to convince me.

The end.

I just want to finish with this:

Nowadays there seems to be an extremely selfish, self opinionated, one sided way of thinking that attempts to block ANY other opinions.

I.e. Trans, Sen, non vaxxing, womens rights, etc.

Blocking terms used:
Moronic.
Idiotic.
Uneducated.
Nazis.
Homophobic.
Transphobic.
Terf.
Etc....

Puts an end to meaningful debate.

If vaccination rates continue falling you may well live to see ever increasing numbers children die of preventable disease “in RL”.

We grasp your feelings perfectly well. We understand them (or at least I do).
Your feelings don’t change the facts though. Despite terribly sad (and devastating for the families concerned) vaccine damage it is statistically safer t9 vaccinate. It is a bit silly to allow feelings to trump actual evindence. I wouldn’t personally use the terms moronic or idiotic, but it does suggest a lack of education on this matter at least.
Not sure what all the other terms you listed have to do with this discussion.

I have no words.

The thing is, though, this is not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact.
Around 1000 people per year, mostly children, died of measles before there was a vaccine; now it's around 1or 2.

The chances of being injured or badly affected by a vaccine are tiny. The chances of dying (if unvaxxed) of a disease are MUCH higher.

It's a small chance of injury vs. a larger chance of death.

It's completely illogical, senseless and irresponsible to plump for the second option by not vaccinating your child.

You cannot “meaningfully debate” vaccinations when it’s personal feelings against scientific fact. You might as well say you don’t personally believe in gravity, that is how you sound.

I knew a girl who was damaged by the polio vaccine. However, I understood that she was incredibly unlucky, and that the vaccine prevents far more people from getting the disease than are damaged by it.

Similarly, a close friend (since childhood) of my DD's partner collapsed and died a couple of days after his first COVID vaccination. A fit, healthy man of 27. (Not in this country)

No way was DDs partner going to have the vaccine, and he was then very mistrustful of any official advice, guidance and rules. I didn't blame him.

However many thousands more would have died if not for the vaccine.