Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

[MidnightPatrol]

A child has died in Liverpool as part of an outbreak of measles. 17 are currently hospitalised with it in the city, as part of a wider outbreak.

73% of children in Liverpool are vaccinated against measles - vs an England average of 84%.

A rate of 95% immunisation is required for herd immunity. No child in the UK needs to be getting measles - we can vaccinate against it.

In Liverpool, there is a risk of a widespread measles outbreak due to this low rate of immunisation - it is very infectious, so the risk to the population is significant.

If you are a parent that doesn’t get your child vaccinated, why?

Should the government not be using further incentives to encourage people to take up vaccination - are a third of Liverpudlians really against vaccinating their children?

Should non-vaccinated children be limited from accessing nursery or schools (as in other countries)?

I didn’t, I thought it was better to get it done as quickly as possible. But I was offered that possibility, so it’s an option for those reluctant because they think there are too many vaccines in one go.

When my son was one he had a bad fit and ended up in hospital. He was kept in for 3 days . The following morning after discharge he was covered in spots. Turned out he had German measles. The fit was caused by a high temperature which led to a febrile convulsion. German measles is normally ( pregnancy excepted) a mild illness but my son was badly affected. I asked my gp about the measles vaccination and he said because my son had a very bad reaction to a normally mild illness German measles it was absolutely crucial he had the measles vaccination. He had it and then measles went round his class and he got it. He had 3 spots on his knee and was not ill in the slightest. The gp said what I was seeing was measles in a vaccinated child. There were 20 kids in his class . 16 of them had the same as him, the other 4 had not been vaccinated and were very poorly. One had lasting eyesight problems.

You are quite right, but what percentage of the general population will know this off the tops of their heads? Most people probably associate formaldehyde with preserving the bodies of those who have died. Also, if you look it up online, the words 'cancer' and 'carcinogenic' quickly pop up as links, which doesn't improve its reputation (or, presumably, their attitude towards vaccinations).

The article/documentary that I mentioned was something that I came across years ago, so I wouldn't be able to find it to check their concerns about the formaldehyde, unfortunately!

I had someone explain this to me once. Not sure if it is 100% true.. but it made sense to me.

The Dr said that when your immune system responds. It responds hard and fast. If it did this to one vaccine 4 weeks before it needed to do it again to another vaccine, the body’s response would be weaker, making recovery longer and the body’s response to it not as strong. Then if you did it again 4 weeks later with another vaccine etc etc..

so it is better to have your body respond once to multiple things apparently.

kind of makes sense.. but also makes me sad at the 1 year vaccines when it is 4 injections at the same time 💔

Because it will affect the weakest, those who can’t be vaccinated.

Very much so.

And those who choose not to vaccinate are benefitting from the fact that most people do.
If everyone was like them, as is their supposed "right", then many children would be dying of measles or be left with serious long term health problems.

Twonks.

They can only get away with not vaccinating THEIR children because everybody else does, and they are benefitting from that herd immunity. It’s breathtakingly selfish.

Reminds me of a woman I used to work with who was always saying how wrong it was that organ donation was now presumed and that she had to go to the effort of opting out. Banged on about how she would NEVER allow any part of her body or her loved ones’ to be donated, it was disgusting and morally wrong etc etc. But when asked what she’d do if she or her loved one needed an organ she said “well of course I’d take someone else’s if I needed it”. She didn’t see any conflict or hypocrisy there at all.

Separate measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines are not licensed for routine use in the UK.

No country in the world recommends giving vaccines against the three infections separately.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mmr-vaccine-dispelling-myths/measles-mumps-rubella-mmr-maintaining-uptake-of-vaccine

Giving them separately is a waste of time and money and more traumatic for the child .... why, just why?

Unfortunately some people are just too thick or blinkered to listen to reason.

The media have done a good job over the years of scaring parents about vaccination. What can you do? Some people will believe anything.......

I personally agree with the stick (eg exclusion from school etc if you / your parents choose for you not to be vacinated) but only when the carrot has been extensively used

Full education programmes, plenty of genuine opportunities to address individuals concerns, fully consider their medical background etc. Basically rebuilding trust and fighting back against all the misinformation out there.

And for some vaccines ( eg covid where the statistics for protection from covid fell for the younger population) then not compulsory vaccination programmes.

But measles and similar vaccines? If you have had plenty of opportunity to raise concerns and truly understand then statistics then yes compulsory vaccination ( except to limited exclusions) with clear consequences if you dont

You could go shopping, on a train, nursery and children could be incubating any or all of the childhood diseases not just one at a time

I personally know a child and an adult with permanent vaccine damage.
Brain damage and physical.

That's not the media scaring, is it?

Both parents wish they hadn't allowed vaccines, obviously.

Vaccines are not guaranteed risk free.

However, without them many many more children and adults would die or have life altering complications.

Not much of a consolation if it's YOUR child who is permanently brain damaged?

But anyone who wants their children to be at risk of becoming collateral damage, go ahead.

What if it's YOUR child, who is permanently brain damaged as a result of catching a preventable disease?

Which is a much commoner disaster.

Hard disagree. Sick of this crap about trying to protect the feelings of people spouting stupidity.

Every ill effect or death, either with or without a vaccine is of course a tragedy
But it's about statistics and what is more likely to happen.
And then on top of that what you can contribute to, in wider society ( eg measles outbreak)
If you choose not to believe statistics, and put others at risk, you will be despised, and ridiculed

Ditto....

Sick of this crap about people showing no empathy to vaccine damaged children.

I’m in Liverpool and completely agree - these parents are idiots

Which ones?
The parents who risk their kids having permanent brain damage from vaccines?

I have seen this for myself. It's not a fallacy.

I despair. Are you wilfully misunderstanding?
An unvaccinated child has just DIED from measles.

The instances of damage from vaccines is vanishingly rare. If we all stop vaccinating then actual deaths from measles will be HIGH. In Pre-vaccination times there were many child deaths and lifelong complications from measles.
People died. Children died. Without vaccination this could happen again.

100 per cent this! 👏👏

Many people said at the time that the 'stance' during Covid would lead to some parents becoming hugely sceptical of traditional vaccines. Those commentators too were shut down and told they were being ridiculous.

Yet, here we are...

Here we are…. Well that’s ok then. Let’s just blame someone else instead of taking responsibility ourselves then