Parents choosing not to vaccinate their children

[MidnightPatrol]

A child has died in Liverpool as part of an outbreak of measles. 17 are currently hospitalised with it in the city, as part of a wider outbreak.

73% of children in Liverpool are vaccinated against measles - vs an England average of 84%.

A rate of 95% immunisation is required for herd immunity. No child in the UK needs to be getting measles - we can vaccinate against it.

In Liverpool, there is a risk of a widespread measles outbreak due to this low rate of immunisation - it is very infectious, so the risk to the population is significant.

If you are a parent that doesn’t get your child vaccinated, why?

Should the government not be using further incentives to encourage people to take up vaccination - are a third of Liverpudlians really against vaccinating their children?

Should non-vaccinated children be limited from accessing nursery or schools (as in other countries)?

@Petitchat sick of you ignoring simple maths and refusing to consider a wider picture. Funny how you don’t respond to more detailed questions.
You act as though everyone has said vaccines never cause harm or cause issues, when everyone has talked about a wider balance
you are very selective in your mindset

I think they should have a minimum 15 day jail sentence and a 5000 dollar fine for vaccine refusal and their kids should not be allowed into public schools or anywhere really. They have no right to put other autoimmune people at risk bc of their fake science.

Here in the US you have to show proof of vaccinations to be allowed to attend preschool and school.

Maybe that's because I personally know vaccine damaged people. That must make a difference to one's mindset surely?

Your ignoring plain statistics and science. The overwhelming majority of vaccinations do not cause serious illness. Balance that against the now influx of very poorly children from very presentable illnesses. I guess you go through life drug free? Every drug has serious extremely rare side effects. You haven't stated what vaccines they received either which is interesting just a blanket statement

So Liverpudlians think people who have a different opinion to others are idiots?

Okay.......

I think there are a lot of people who have this sensible concern

If it was a valid concern, the nhs would not give the injections the way they do. There is research that goes into the way vaccines are given and combined, and its about maximising getting them into babies/children in a timely way. Feeling unwell after is not a reason not to vaccinate against a disease that kills.

If you really do feel you want to have single vaccines - pay and have them. You can do so via private doctors.

No they don't.
The idiocy is in risking your child's life instead of vaccinating against a deadly disease.

Are you aware a child has just died of measles and others are very ill?

Do you accept the statistics as to how safe vaccines are?

Anyone who ignores the overwhelming evidence that vaccines are far safer than letting your kid get diseased is an idiot yes.

It's terrible that innocent child will die because parents are choosing not to vaccinate. But it is their choice, and they will have to live with the consequences of their decisions. Unfortunately some innocent parents will also have to live with the consequences of these decisions.

We cannot force parents to vaccinate, but I think it being a mandatory requirement for nursery/school places is a good start.

Really? How much longer do you think that will be a requirement given the current government?

With the exception of parents whose children cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, I have absolutely no respect parents who do not vaccinate.I don’t care what people’s “personal reasons” for not vaccinating may be, religious or otherwise. They’re not good enough reasons.

No, vaccines are not risk free and vaccine damage can and does happen. It is extremely rare, but it is real. But you know what else is real? That children can die of the diseases the vaccines protect against. Not only can die, they do die, and historically did so in vast numbers.

Vaccines do not pose a greater risk than the diseases they’re designed to protect against.

Never heard anybody refer to measles as a vitamin deficiency. What a load of bo**ocks.
Measles is caused by a virus. You can't "cure it " or "reduce it's effects," with multi vitamins. You have to vaccinated against it or be prepared to suffer the consequences of catching the disease.
Historically, ports such as Liverpool have often been the entry point for disease in the UK.That still can't be avoided as many countries can't afford free vaccinations for their citizens, disease is more common in these places and travel is quite commonplace. Mass vaccination provides a buffer against the spread of disease and protects the minority who medically cannot have the vaccine.
I remember my mother who was a nurse from the 50's to the 80's ( not far from Liverpool coincidentally) telling me that nobody would be anti- Vax if they had nursed babies suffering the complications of measles, polio or diphtheria.
Too many little white coffins summed up her feelings.
She viewed it as the actions of a responsible parent/citizen to get your children vaccinated. The majority of parents in Liverpool and elsewhere do vaccinate their children and so probably feel the same duty of care.

Of course you will be very conscious of the problems that vaccines can cause. And I support that this needs to be talked about, fears discussed etc
But the evidence, and statistics simply mean that the need to vaccinate is overwhelming the right course of action

That's not what was said
You see you are coming across as someone completely blinkered, rather than someone who wants to have a wider discussion

They are ignorant beyond belief. I had a friend when my son was small who was anti vax and said that if her kids had measles she would treat them homeopathically. I know 100% if her kids had measles she would expect the NHS to sort it out. Beyond annoying uniformed people who jump on a bandwagon

I think anyone who doesn't vaccinate their children should not be entitled to NHS support if their child has issues from this decision

Bit harsh on the kid, who didn’t really have a say in their parent’s moronic decision.

I think people should be able to have different opinions without being called moronic and idiotic.
Isn't that against mumsnet rules?

Yes it was what was said....

I'm in Liverpool and completely agree- these parents are idiots

I disagree: firstly it's hardly the kid's fault; secondly it will just encourage such parents to use quack cures on their kids; and thirdly the whole point of the NHS is that it's available for everyone.

A decision to not vaccinate is not an opinion. It is an uninformed and moronic uneducated decision.

Aah but you see, they didn't say that. They gave reasons why. So it wasn't just because you disagree with them, they gave reasons
Blinkered

Blinkered