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Thread 6: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 12/07/2025 23:41

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

NB Please be careful when it comes to naming or implicating people who aren't in the public eye or have no connection to the story, especially where details are unclear or still emerging i.e. DON'T DO IT.

Keep on the path. No saltiness. Thank you.

New posters welcome. It would be helpful to read at least the three Observer articles before posting.

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

The real Salt Path: what’s in the book, and what The Obse...

Raynor and Moth Winn’s redemptive journey from penury and homelessness led to a bestselling book. The truth behind it is very different

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

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SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 21:31

Catwith69lives · 13/07/2025 21:11

The TSP is (according to what she has told numerous sources) her narrative - her account of the walk for Moth as his memory fades. I am sure he is to some large degree complicit, but I get the sense that she is the driving force.

What I find interesting is her account ( on the literary podcast) of how she came to write TSP. The book was based on notes jotted in the margins of Paddy Dillon's guide to the SWCP. An A5 notenook she had originally considered taking on the walk, was discarded as being surplus to requirements and adding unnecessarily to the backpack weights.

So TSP was written in 2015-6 largely from memory some 2-3 years after the walk was completed.I think this explains a lot of what is in TSP which is essentially a largely fictionalised narrative of what happened. I also believe that the CBD/CBS diagnosis from 2015 was retrofitted into the narrative for dramatic effect.

Edited

This is certainly also true. Reconstructing a walk of several months from memory and jottings in the margins of a guidebook a considerable period afterwards is going to involve considerable invention, condensation, speculative attribution of certain events to certain places and at certain places in the timeline. And that would be the case whether you were genuinely trying to give an accurate account or whether you were omitting, embellishing, shifting events about by long periods etc.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 21:34

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 21:31

This is certainly also true. Reconstructing a walk of several months from memory and jottings in the margins of a guidebook a considerable period afterwards is going to involve considerable invention, condensation, speculative attribution of certain events to certain places and at certain places in the timeline. And that would be the case whether you were genuinely trying to give an accurate account or whether you were omitting, embellishing, shifting events about by long periods etc.

I think if it was just errors of recall it would be entirely forgivable and uninteresting.

But inserting an entirely different version of the fundamentals and presenting it was "unflinchingly true" is today wild

SwetSwetSwet · 13/07/2025 21:34

From the Penguin article, this is so funny. I just can't work out what the writer means. Surely everyone who cuts their own wood has piles of wood drying out?
Otherworldly piles of sticks are dotted around the orchard – a rarely seen, centuries-old technique for drying out wood he’s brought back. They’ve become such sites of ecological interest that academics from nearby universities have been studying them.

User14March · 13/07/2025 21:35

In TSP sequel I note Ray is mentioning drinking from streams etc as she does in TSP & I think gives unsterilised water to Moth once. O/T a bit, but is this as dangerous as I think it might be? I’d personally not be keen on eating wild mushrooms & mussels either especially if ill. I know they were on uppers but I’d be worried about lack of good nutrition.

placemats · 13/07/2025 21:36

SmellsLikeTippex · 13/07/2025 21:15

Yes, hence it being a rhetorical question.

I absolutely appreciate the reluctance to speculate about Moth’s illness. I think it’s right not to, regardless of what material has been put into the public domain.. I haven’t.

But I think it may also, understandably, suggest a similar reluctance for publisher due diligence to include intrusive questions about a third party’s terminal diagnosis. I mean, would you feel comfortable asking your new author to provide proof her husband is dying? (Another rhetorical question.)

Is your husband dying and do you have the proof? Direct question is the best way to go. Unless there's an amount of intimidation involved. For example the person asking the question is young and inexperienced to the role.

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 21:37

placemats · 13/07/2025 21:36

Is your husband dying and do you have the proof? Direct question is the best way to go. Unless there's an amount of intimidation involved. For example the person asking the question is young and inexperienced to the role.

More to the point - she said he had a 2 year terminal diagnosis in 2013 - the. Ok wouldn’t have gone to an editor or agent until 2016 at the earliest?

surely the first question is around whether or not he is still alive!

Orangesandlemons77 · 13/07/2025 21:42

SwetSwetSwet · 13/07/2025 21:34

From the Penguin article, this is so funny. I just can't work out what the writer means. Surely everyone who cuts their own wood has piles of wood drying out?
Otherworldly piles of sticks are dotted around the orchard – a rarely seen, centuries-old technique for drying out wood he’s brought back. They’ve become such sites of ecological interest that academics from nearby universities have been studying them.

That's hilarious. How daft.

placemats · 13/07/2025 21:44

Bruisername · 13/07/2025 21:37

More to the point - she said he had a 2 year terminal diagnosis in 2013 - the. Ok wouldn’t have gone to an editor or agent until 2016 at the earliest?

surely the first question is around whether or not he is still alive!

Yes that would be correct and having read a film review I was expecting to learn of his death but was shocked to say the least that he was still 'miraculously' alive. Which is why I'm on these threads.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 13/07/2025 21:55

User14March · 13/07/2025 21:35

In TSP sequel I note Ray is mentioning drinking from streams etc as she does in TSP & I think gives unsterilised water to Moth once. O/T a bit, but is this as dangerous as I think it might be? I’d personally not be keen on eating wild mushrooms & mussels either especially if ill. I know they were on uppers but I’d be worried about lack of good nutrition.

After Erin Patterson I will NEVER be accepting wild mushroom offerings from anyone, no matter how hungry I may be. I'd rather eat the grass.

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 21:59

User14March · 13/07/2025 21:35

In TSP sequel I note Ray is mentioning drinking from streams etc as she does in TSP & I think gives unsterilised water to Moth once. O/T a bit, but is this as dangerous as I think it might be? I’d personally not be keen on eating wild mushrooms & mussels either especially if ill. I know they were on uppers but I’d be worried about lack of good nutrition.

This is from Mountaineering Scotland and is only about water courses in mountains above human habitation. However, I don't know anyone who wouldn't use at least one of the sterilisation/filtration methods mentioned.

You've got no idea if there's a decomposing sheep or whatever lying in the water upstream. And lots of lovely illnesses detailed that you can get.

Giving a terminal ill man unsterilised water is as stupid as dragging him on a 630 mile walk.

https://www.mountaineering.scot/safety-and-skills/health-and-hygiene/drinking-water

RNApolymerase · 13/07/2025 22:00

I was taught to assume there's a dead sheep upstream.

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 22:00

SwetSwetSwet · 13/07/2025 21:34

From the Penguin article, this is so funny. I just can't work out what the writer means. Surely everyone who cuts their own wood has piles of wood drying out?
Otherworldly piles of sticks are dotted around the orchard – a rarely seen, centuries-old technique for drying out wood he’s brought back. They’ve become such sites of ecological interest that academics from nearby universities have been studying them.

These are special piles of wood, though!

Academics have studied them.

Honestly, I feel ashamed of myself for lapping up this crap.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 22:01

RNApolymerase · 13/07/2025 22:00

I was taught to assume there's a dead sheep upstream.

Probably one buried by the WalkerWinns Grin

mauvishagain · 13/07/2025 22:02

And, from my experience, sometimes there is a dead sheep just upstream! Happily, I was looking for a crossing, not drinking the water!

mauvishagain · 13/07/2025 22:03

I'm going to contact the local uni and see if any academics would like to study my pile of rotting wood in the garden. There's even an old apple tree nearby. How could they refuse?

Pigmoondotcom · 13/07/2025 22:04

RNApolymerase · 13/07/2025 22:00

I was taught to assume there's a dead sheep upstream.

Good life assumption in general.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 13/07/2025 22:05

Pigmoondotcom · 13/07/2025 22:04

Good life assumption in general.

Yes it works figuratively as well as literally in relation to TSP.for starters

RNApolymerase · 13/07/2025 22:09

Although there being a dead bird in your attic water tank as a reason you shouldn't drink out of the upstairs bathroom tap doesn't seem to be a thing any more.

SwetSwetSwet · 13/07/2025 22:14

RNApolymerase · 13/07/2025 22:09

Although there being a dead bird in your attic water tank as a reason you shouldn't drink out of the upstairs bathroom tap doesn't seem to be a thing any more.

I think people don't tend to have water tanks in the attic now??? I knew someone this happened to 40 years ago though - they thought the water tasted a bit odd when they were cleaning their teeth, and found a dead pigeon in the tank😁

Apples244 · 13/07/2025 22:16

I think for some people who have never come across a grifter before it is impossible to believe how utterly devoid of scruples they are. Honesty is simply not part of their vocabulary. An embezzler who went on to steal from a campsite and small shop is not a person for whom integrity exists. From this I deduce she is incapable of telling the truth..along with Moth

Digitalhen · 13/07/2025 22:19

SwetSwetSwet · 13/07/2025 22:14

I think people don't tend to have water tanks in the attic now??? I knew someone this happened to 40 years ago though - they thought the water tasted a bit odd when they were cleaning their teeth, and found a dead pigeon in the tank😁

Yep, still do in my house 😶

MrsKypp · 13/07/2025 22:20

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 22:00

These are special piles of wood, though!

Academics have studied them.

Honestly, I feel ashamed of myself for lapping up this crap.

"Nearby universities" like which ones? Oh yes, I see, none. 🙄

Amazing the "nearby universities" all had "academics" so fascinated by someone copying a well-known centuries-old way of drying wood.

Unbelievable. Thank goodness I didn't waste my time reading that shit.

MrsKypp · 13/07/2025 22:21

My Mum still has a water tank in her loft. We were always told not the drink the water from the bathroom tap.

FurryHappyKittens · 13/07/2025 22:33

I've got a water tank in the loft but it only feeds the hot water tank. Cold water comes direct from the mains.

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