Thread 5: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third item in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

Fair point I made a generic prole slur on investment bankers in general who have ploughed their vast wealth into Cornish property and brewing alcohol he may be a saint for all I know.

I've thought that all along. Good bookkeeper are hard to find.

I wonder if they are holed up at the house near the chapel at Sarn Meyllteyrn.

Tim's dad died a few months ago, so it would be good timing since they left the cider farm a while ago.

I've lived in N. Wales. The people in rural areas are understandably not keen on unoccupied second homes (hardly alone in that in the UK as a whole) and rightly protective of their language. Beyond that, I always found the communities I lived in to be warm, welcoming and friendly to English incomers, with our crap few words of Welsh and tendency to moan about a lot (a lot) of rain, as long as there is respect.

Raymoth would have been the talk of this place, NDA or not, for years. They rode roughshod over honour and they get more shifty by the day.

No, I think is the answer to that!!!

😂

Interesting that the Times article names their children and also suggests Moth completed the London marathon. The Walkers running the London marathon was discussed in an earlier thread, and people here seemed to think Moth joined the marathon near the end as a spectator to support Sally/Raynor and (I think) their son who were running it together.

About 08:55 It may have been the last item.

About the medical letters:

I think most of us regret that medical letters apparently needed to be shared by the Winn/Walkers when they are in normal circumstances very private things. In these particular circumstances however a central focus of the books is Moth/Tim's health and Raynor/Sally - and presumably Moth/Tim - chose to publicly share that and to keep on sharing it.

And not just to share it with readers of 3 books but also of magazines and newspapers, watchers of podcasts and TV, audience members at gigs and book events, and with filmgoers. Their story centring on Moth/Tim's health was not going quietly after the film release. In the offing were residential non-fiction writing courses at Arvon, another tour with Gigspanner including the existing album and journal, a fourth book and a new project of some sort of wellness retreats. It has not just been shared for a number of years, it has been successfully monetarised.

So when the nature and severity of Moth/Tim's health issues are questioned - not by idle or cruel gossip but by a respected investigative journalist and newspaper, a number of medical specialists and the apparent initial whistle-blower - this will naturally be of interest and doubts will be raised, particularly for those who had felt invested in their story. It is not only the questions about Moth/Tim's health which are causing these doubts, it is the combination of those with other compelling questions: about the real reason for the loss of the house, the ownership of land and a renovation project in France, Raynor/Sally's theft of over £60,000 (over £100,000 in today's money) from her employer, money owed to others and inaccuracies in the descriptions and timings of the walks (all alleged). All those questions and doubts form a powerful combination. Jason Isaac's heartfelt outburst of 'they were conned!' on BBC1's The One Show seems out of kilter.

As part of Raynor/Sally's statement it was decided to release the medical letters in order to refute the doubts about Moth/Tim's health. She has stated in the books and in interviews that he had been given a clear diagnosis of CBD, that this happened when they lost the house and before they set off to walk the path, that this was terminal, that she expected to lose him in two years and that he was experiencing a raft of both acute and chronic symptoms. I can not see verification of all that in the letters posted. Like many other people, I also genuinely wish Moth/Tim well, whatever the truth is..

I think the medical letters were intended as a mike-drop moment but are instead a bit of a smoking gun. It seems to me that they have shot themselves in the foot with this and other aspects of the statement.

Thank you!

Yet more poor journalism lacking scrutiny.

From the Times:

When Tim arrived two days later, she says, he explained with disbelief that his wife had taken out four credit cards in his name without his knowledge.

This was in addition to the stealing from her employer.

Also in the Times, the relative is described as a close relative, not a distant one as described in the Observer.

But his widow is still speaking out about what went on.

Another hero!

So agree with this. It's a clear flaw in the book according to accounts I've read on these valuable threads. Not read the book or watched the film. There's been a few regrets from people I know recently via social media and all of them are fit and well but in their 70s. Film only.

I thought their daughter had a different name? She isn’t Rowan on the Four Hares Ltd shareholder filing.

Well put. Will this be picked up by Press etc? Not been realised as yet it seems.

2023 London Marathon results

I t²hink the medical letters were intended as a mike-drop moment but are instead a bit of a smoking gun.

Thankfully the Times has picked up on the 2015 medical letter's discrepancies.

you have saved me a job as that was my next bit of research! See now I don’t know if he really did it or wasn’t well enough and just went over the start and end readers. Are all his splits recorded?

From IG images I noticed that they left to do their reverse Cape Wrath, West Highland Way etc etc walk (that eventually featured in book 3 of the RayMoth saga) in May 2021. So maybe the falling out with the farm owner was the catalyst to go on another jaunt. I'd be curious to know how the journey comes about in Landlines.

Thankfully the whole expose was because of Chloe Hadjimatheou of The Observer.

He ran the 2023 marathon

this year he was in hospital but got to a viewing spot near the end (according to his son)

@Choux

Looks like he did it from her Instagram in 2023, then talked about going to do it again in 2024, which is perhaps where the confusion is

That was a picture of him with the foil blanket and medal in 2023!

If I were her I'd have been pretty pissed off at the implications about her husband that Walker made in her statement.

London Marathon
2024 Raynor Winn finishes
Moth Winn entered but no time
2020 no Winn, but interestingly a Timothy Walker and a Sally Walker....

What I don’t understand given the poor quality of the writing, which has been widely noted here, and the apparent venality and unpleasantness of the couple is why so many people have bought into it. Then again, with the very real possibility of someone like Farage becoming the next Prime Minister, I don’t have to look far for an answer. People are desperate to believe in something, and in the absence of religion, that vacuum gets filled with belief in just about anything. The country is in a febrile mood, itching to tear down plaster saints—and much else besides. There’s nowt as queer as folk as my dear mum used to say.

I suppose I’ll just have to read the damn thing and find out for myself and that truly fills me with dread particuarly if they bewitch me with their weasel words and I find myself thinking you know what they may just have a point !