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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement Raynor Winn

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sualipa · 10/07/2025 18:43

DiamondThrone · 10/07/2025 18:39

I HATE THAT EFFING SONG

Such a tragedy, what happend to Grace and her band.

I know it sets off my inner pedant for some reason and is regarded as one of the worst songs ever. There is justice after all but probably not for the Wins or the Walkers or whoever they are.

Rallentanda · 10/07/2025 18:44

Aspanielstolemysanity · 10/07/2025 18:36

The Sasha/Avi story (and other similar suggestions of multiple lies /deceit ) is definitely angle I would like to see followed up

Ditto the neurologist story. Both his book review and the Feb 2025 letter are truly odd. Something feels "off" there

And I think the other angle is the French property. its just implausible. Why get into more debt to do that? It's stretching the limits of credibility.

Sue's defence of the bookkeeping being a mess she tried to fix I dont buy for a minute. If that was the case, why vanish before the police interview and show up with all the money and an NDA? That's not the behaviour Of an innocent person. If it quacks like a duck and all that...

Damn, I meant to add the French property angle!
and why did her nephew remove his post??

It’s all very sus and bound to get more sus, with people beginning to come out of the woodwork.

User14March · 10/07/2025 18:45

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 18:39

But that wouldn’t be the persona, then. They wouldn’t be self-presenting as good eggs. They’d be all chastened and apologetic, shaking their heads about what they were like before walking the path. ‘We made horrible mistakes, we hurt people. I thought maybe Moth’s illness was karma for what I’d done. We panicked and went on the run. Etc etc’

A bit too raw, near marrow for them? Better, I’ve been a bit of a silly billy but it was 2008 after all, so…’

User14March · 10/07/2025 18:46

Rallentanda · 10/07/2025 18:44

Damn, I meant to add the French property angle!
and why did her nephew remove his post??

It’s all very sus and bound to get more sus, with people beginning to come out of the woodwork.

Martin H’s apparent sister recently on FB reinforcing SIL Hemmings POV..

ThatFluentHedgehog · 10/07/2025 18:47

Rallentanda · 10/07/2025 18:08

Phew, just caught up. Here are the things piquing my interest:

  • what was the story behind the Sasha/Avi comment on Facebook??
  • I agree the book review by a neurologist and the rock bottom comments don’t seem at all on the level
  • so far there’s been nothing to suggest that Martin Hemings was anything but a straight business owner, but has anyone checked? Why were the books a bit of a mess? Might explain why his wife kept very quiet for the best part of a decade. Why now? She might have been under an NDA but that was true last week as well, if she was. I’m not accusing anyone, I would just like to understand
  • I agree there is a worrying tinge of husband-worship in some of the anecdotes from the books. I know a woman who comes across similarly and her husband is an abusive pathological liar, provably corrupt. So I’m interested that he comes across as a quiet, gentle soul. Hmmmmmmmm

Agree it would be good to find out more on the Sasha/Avi comment!

Re your point:

  • I agree there is a worrying tinge of husband-worship in some of the anecdotes from the books. I know a woman who comes across similarly and her husband is an abusive pathological liar, provably corrupt. So I’m interested that he comes across as a quiet, gentle soul. Hmmmmmmmm

SW speaks breathlessly, and is always wary, defensive, 'a bit shifty-looking' has been mentioned more than once. Gillian Anderson describes her as 'guarded'. We've largely assumed on here that's because she's in the limelight while aware of her massive cover up(s) of the past. But it also reminded me of someone I've known with low confidence, who had a repressive upbringing. I'm not suddenly excusing her, but it's possible she may have fairly major psychological issues.

For me it's between that and just someone taking whatever, whenever while taking the world for a ride – and feigning innocence.

KeepTalkingBeth · 10/07/2025 18:47

Uricon2 · 10/07/2025 18:34

Only my opinion, but in the brief interview glimpses of Moth I've seen, he really does come over much better than her and I doubt I'm alone in thinking that. I have the same view of the pair of them, but from a purely pragmatic point of view, it makes me really question why he didn't do more interviews. Could be health, I suppose.

Edited

I agree it could be health. If he has episodes of slurring or memory lapses he might prefer to avoid speaking in public.

LivelyCat · 10/07/2025 18:48

Uricon2 · 10/07/2025 17:24

I think we need Simon Armitage to write a poem about this whole imbroglio. Possibly in the unique style of Adrian M, he could do it. Right generation!

Edited

He’d be opening Pandora’s box!

Rallentanda · 10/07/2025 18:48

If I never saw another ChatGPT generated post 😬 😩😵

Bruisername · 10/07/2025 18:50

I hate to think the environmental impact of some of the things ChatGPT is used for!!!

LivelyCat · 10/07/2025 18:51

sualipa · 10/07/2025 17:35

Well it's going to have to be real juicy it has a feel that they have shot their load already and the excellent sleuthing here hasn't managed to find much more. I would love to be afly on the wall at the expletive filled Penguin crisis managment meetings in secure rooms with searches on the way in and mobiles banned - same goes for the film company there are literally millions at stake !

Eurhggh.

AngryCustomer · 10/07/2025 18:51

Is TSP worth reading? I hadn’t heard of it until this scandal.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 10/07/2025 18:55

Catwith69lives · 10/07/2025 17:51

Hang on a mo! It's not a niche issue IF (and I highlight that because the jury is still out to some degree) a best selling (2m+) book and film marketed as being "unflinchingly honest" turns out to have been a highly embellished account of a leisurely walk on the SWCP with a putative diagnosis of mild CBD in 2015 ( after the walk had been completed) after the eviction from their home directly related to the author's embezzlement of £64,000 from a trusting small business owner, the shock from which may have led (according to his sister) to his early demise (aged 65 in 2012) vs the account in TSP, which the author doubles down on in her rebuttal of the 'heinous untruths' in the Observer article.

The Observer and Raynor Winn's account of how the family house was lost ( and she was forced to embark on her epic walk on the SWCP with Moth) are so diametrically opposed that only one truth can exist. Either the Observer journalist has got it completely wrong or Raynor Winn/Sally Walker is a pathological liar. Truth will ( hopefully without the intervention of NDAs) out!

Edited

According to Timothy Walkers nephew, they are both pathological liars

BlueDecoGlass · 10/07/2025 18:56

Sorry, I'll stop with the ChatGPT after this, I promise!

Adrian Mole's bitter reaction to TSP...

Sunday, 14th July
Weather: Intermittently proud, with scattered self-doubt

Read a newspaper review of The Salt Path this morning.
They described it as “an astonishing narrative of resilience and nature’s redemptive power.”
Which is irritating, as I once wrote something quite similar
in Year 11 about a sponsored walk around Leicester.

Raynor Winn is now being compared to Laurie Lee, despite the fact that she’s never even mentioned Bukowski or used semi-colons incorrectly on purpose.
Moth, her husband, is now something of a folk hero.
He walks, he suffers nobly, he carries an old sleeping mat like it’s a cross between Excalibur and a yoga prop.

Meanwhile, I am still waiting for The Independent to return my self-published novella
“My Brief Affair with a Vegetarian Librarian”.
It received one Amazon review. From my mother.
She said it was “ambitious.”

Back to Raynor:
The review praised the book’s “lyrical quality and quiet rage.”
My diary has rage — usually about bin collections or the decline of proper toast —
but no one calls it lyrical.
They just say I need “more hobbies.”

Apparently, the book is not just about walking,
but about the erasure of dignity in modern Britain,
the invisibility of homelessness,
and the healing capacity of wind-battered cliffs.

Which is strange,
as the last time I tried walking more than a mile,
I got shin splints and was overtaken by a toddler on a scooter.

Still, I respect what they did.
They turned disaster into movement.
They walked through pain and weather
and middle-class judgement in tea rooms.
They came out the other side —
windburned, yes —
but together.

I tried to convince Pandora to do something similar with me.
Suggested the Pennine Way.
She said I’d last “as long as an oatcake in a rainstorm.”

diningiswest · 10/07/2025 19:00

Basically, using Chat GPT on a thread like this is spam, and spam that isn't much good for the environment either. Please can we stop now, before the thread - as others have done - just becomes competitive spamming that most people don't want to read.

Bruisername · 10/07/2025 19:00

Discussing it on When it hits the fan in R4 tonight from a PR perspective

Uricon2 · 10/07/2025 19:00

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 18:39

But that wouldn’t be the persona, then. They wouldn’t be self-presenting as good eggs. They’d be all chastened and apologetic, shaking their heads about what they were like before walking the path. ‘We made horrible mistakes, we hurt people. I thought maybe Moth’s illness was karma for what I’d done. We panicked and went on the run. Etc etc’

I do think though that ultimately it would have worked out better for them. Anyone challenging them would be explicable as one of their victims who they'd already talked about. If (hahaha) as Sally has said, they've tried to make amends, same scenario, they could do so if valid. I mentioned John McVicar on the last thread. Proper bad boy bank robber. Big deal at one time, book, major film. I don't think people would have shied away from a real redemption story if engaging enough and if proof could be shown that they'd attempted to right their wrongs.

But...but...I think far too much of this tale and their personas are untrue beyond the embezzlement and even Tim's illness and I think that is what is currently unknown. I also think that there is a strong desire to portray themselves as "innocent victims" so the truth would be unpalatable to speak.

LivelyCat · 10/07/2025 19:06

I don’t know, the Adrian Mole posts are pretty funny.

Uricon2 · 10/07/2025 19:11

LivelyCat · 10/07/2025 19:06

I don’t know, the Adrian Mole posts are pretty funny.

Unlike many on MN, I'm not averse to the odd poem on a thread. I'm just not interested in what ChatGPT has to offer. Fair play though that people have been honest about using it.

LivelyCat · 10/07/2025 19:15

Uricon2 · 10/07/2025 19:11

Unlike many on MN, I'm not averse to the odd poem on a thread. I'm just not interested in what ChatGPT has to offer. Fair play though that people have been honest about using it.

While I’m no fan of ChatGPT, I have to say that the quality of poems on threads seems to have gone up recently 😄

RNApolymerase · 10/07/2025 19:17

DiamondThrone · 10/07/2025 18:24

Oh yeah, it's gone! Maybe they started to get a bit of pushback about her being an ickle victim? Can't imagine who would have done that 🤐

Comment is still there they've just moved it, under the post from 3day ago about the observer article

User14March · 10/07/2025 19:19

Just saw the Ray/Jason Issacs interview. It’s interesting that Jason sees Moth as being one of the best people he’s ever known, with huge charisma & almost messiah-like qualities.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 10/07/2025 19:20

User14March · 10/07/2025 19:19

Just saw the Ray/Jason Issacs interview. It’s interesting that Jason sees Moth as being one of the best people he’s ever known, with huge charisma & almost messiah-like qualities.

I would just take that for luvvie hyperbole?

FurryHappyKittens · 10/07/2025 19:21

If they ride it out and Penguin do nothing my faith in the entire genre will be permanently damaged.

The biggest thing for me is that the whole book was about the double wammy of them losing their home and contending with a terminal CBD diagnosis at the same time.

Yes, they lost their house. But the diagnosis of potential mild CBS came two years later.

I've seen her speak on a number of occasions and she talks extensively about Tim being given a short time to live. This is nonsense as she's proved with the medical letters.

So, I'm now looking at my collection of books in this genre and wonder if any of it happened and the authors just haven't been found out. I can accept a bit of moving things about and embellishment, but not to the extent Walker has done.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 10/07/2025 19:21

LivelyCat · 10/07/2025 19:15

While I’m no fan of ChatGPT, I have to say that the quality of poems on threads seems to have gone up recently 😄

Grin
Catwith69lives · 10/07/2025 19:22

Latest take on the controversy from the DT: Why The Salt Path unravelled: ‘Raynor Winn must have been living in terror’

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