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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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EnidSpyton · 10/07/2025 10:59

Namechangedfortheterfasaurs · 10/07/2025 10:36

No. The law will change from autumn this year to prevent use of a pseudonym but at present it is legal. See this article which I posted a few pages ago now www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/18/companies-house-to-stop-fraudsters-signing-up-under-fake-names-like-darth-vader

Thanks for the correction - apologies, I thought that it had already become law.

Madness to think it’s only now becoming law in 2025 - who knows what frauds have been perpetrated by people using pseudonyms and not connecting failed past ventures to new ones!

Localres · 10/07/2025 11:01

Stravaig · 10/07/2025 10:51

I hope that if anyone writing here is a friend of the Walkers/Winns, or is a representative of any of the connected entities who are affected, and is being paid to defend their reputation and influence public opinion, then they have the basic integrity to declare it.

Not doing so will only muddy the waters and further destroy trust.

This isn’t a court of law, it’s an anonymous opinion thread on the internet. This is ridiculous. No one is going to use a mumsnet thread as proof of anything.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 10/07/2025 11:02

If anyone asks what Mumsnet was like back in the day they should look at these threads, THIS is what it used to be like, interesting, informative and really bloody good!

I really think they'll end up on the celebrity circle, they like the limelight and won't go quietly.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 10/07/2025 11:02

sualipa · 10/07/2025 09:02

Folky people tend to be quite fluffy and generally like cider if they drink at all.

Somebody has been drinking from the same well as RW if you make grossly inaccurate statements like that. Hard left, cynical, whisky drinking "folky" here - there are an awful lot of us, and wouldn't be seen dead at Gigspanner (or reading a TSP). Not all folk music is "fluffy" and neither are the people who listen to it.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 10/07/2025 11:02

@WhatterySquash I do take your points and of course she nor anyone else doesn't deserve death threats (I'm guessing they are on SM as I haven't seen any on MN) or to have horrendous personal comments made about them.

I think my gripe is over the last 4(!) threads some posters have claimed that the embezzling wasn't that bad and people are only criticising because she's a woman and we are jealous of her. That kind of thinking doesn't help anyone.

I can only speak for myself but I honestly would say the same thing if genders were reversed.

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 11:04

Stravaig · 10/07/2025 10:51

I hope that if anyone writing here is a friend of the Walkers/Winns, or is a representative of any of the connected entities who are affected, and is being paid to defend their reputation and influence public opinion, then they have the basic integrity to declare it.

Not doing so will only muddy the waters and further destroy trust.

I would hope no one ‘trusts’ anyone here! It’s an anonymous internet forum with millions of members, increasingly infested with bots and trolls.

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:06

As someone who's been following this story reasonably closely - though I ran out of stamina and time to keep up with every post on every thread on MN - I've been thinking about what kind of people they are. I don't have a particular axe to grind - I'm not ill, I wasn't particularly into the book though I read it twice, I didn't think the film was great though I went to see it. In short, I have no emotion attached to them at all so while I'm fascinated by it all, I don't feel anything much.

However, thinking about them as people, they remind me of a few I have known in my life, including my own dear brother. Strikes me, that they want to live on the edges of society, to be unique and free spirits, and to be considered special intellectuals, not like other more normal and less special people. Normal rules are not for them, and so they shouldn't have to abide by them. If they want something, it's not the normal kind of wanting...because they are free spirits, and therefore other people should indulge this. As I said, I have known lots of Glastonbury (the town, not the festival) types like this. People who are caught up in thinking higher thoughts and being at one with nature, so shouldn't by rights have to bother about things like jobs, and tax, and bills, and debts. Essentially people like this think everyone else (the normal people) owe them. She wanted/needed that £64,000, so she took it. Why shouldn't she? The aforementioned dear brother used to steal money from me when we were teens - money I'd earned. Why should he have to work when he was so intellectually higher, and the money was there, just waiting to be taken? Why should the Sally and Tim have to pay for campsite fees like normal people, if they could hop over the wall and not bother?

None of their money problems would have happened if they had just got a job and lived within their means. However they were too special for that. People like them need to be AT ONE with the land.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 11:07

PhilippaGeorgiou · 10/07/2025 11:02

Somebody has been drinking from the same well as RW if you make grossly inaccurate statements like that. Hard left, cynical, whisky drinking "folky" here - there are an awful lot of us, and wouldn't be seen dead at Gigspanner (or reading a TSP). Not all folk music is "fluffy" and neither are the people who listen to it.

Point taken ! I'm now starting to wonder at the veracity of the Proclaimers declaring they would walk 500 miles when they would probably fall at the first chip shop/pub. That said I have been to the Broadstairs Folk Festival and been heavily exposed to Morris "Men" or is it "Persons" these days and flagons of real ale drunk out of pewter mugs on chains and had a great time !

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 10/07/2025 11:12

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:52

I doubt it he did a PhD in English Literature so he can write.

drive.google.com/file/d/1cd0kU_9U9qN_1M1N9F8KzL8vBIcRP9ze/view

He might be able to write, and have written other things, but I would bet my house AI wrote that. The tone/writing is so obvious.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 11:15

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:06

As someone who's been following this story reasonably closely - though I ran out of stamina and time to keep up with every post on every thread on MN - I've been thinking about what kind of people they are. I don't have a particular axe to grind - I'm not ill, I wasn't particularly into the book though I read it twice, I didn't think the film was great though I went to see it. In short, I have no emotion attached to them at all so while I'm fascinated by it all, I don't feel anything much.

However, thinking about them as people, they remind me of a few I have known in my life, including my own dear brother. Strikes me, that they want to live on the edges of society, to be unique and free spirits, and to be considered special intellectuals, not like other more normal and less special people. Normal rules are not for them, and so they shouldn't have to abide by them. If they want something, it's not the normal kind of wanting...because they are free spirits, and therefore other people should indulge this. As I said, I have known lots of Glastonbury (the town, not the festival) types like this. People who are caught up in thinking higher thoughts and being at one with nature, so shouldn't by rights have to bother about things like jobs, and tax, and bills, and debts. Essentially people like this think everyone else (the normal people) owe them. She wanted/needed that £64,000, so she took it. Why shouldn't she? The aforementioned dear brother used to steal money from me when we were teens - money I'd earned. Why should he have to work when he was so intellectually higher, and the money was there, just waiting to be taken? Why should the Sally and Tim have to pay for campsite fees like normal people, if they could hop over the wall and not bother?

None of their money problems would have happened if they had just got a job and lived within their means. However they were too special for that. People like them need to be AT ONE with the land.

That said she went on to sell over two million books and saw her story adapted into a major motion picture. From my limited but personal experience, I’ve found that highly successful people who rise to the top are often not particularly kind. They tend to have sharp elbows, can be mean-spirited, and frequently assess how useful someone might be before offering any semblance of friendship. Of course, this is a broad generalisation but I’ve encountered enough of these types professionally to believe it holds true, at least in general terms. And they certainly don’t have the time or inclination to post on internet forums!

diningiswest · 10/07/2025 11:16

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 10/07/2025 11:12

He might be able to write, and have written other things, but I would bet my house AI wrote that. The tone/writing is so obvious.

It also smacks of reputation management work going on. Which I bet it is.

Namechangedfortheterfasaurs · 10/07/2025 11:17

EnidSpyton · 10/07/2025 10:59

Thanks for the correction - apologies, I thought that it had already become law.

Madness to think it’s only now becoming law in 2025 - who knows what frauds have been perpetrated by people using pseudonyms and not connecting failed past ventures to new ones!

It is insane isn’t it? Can’t believe it was allowed to go on for so long.

It was also only relatively recently you could redact your date of birth, so it was a fraudster’s charter as regards anyone who had honestly given their name, used their home address and provided their date of birth. You can redact DOB now but it is often not redacted in documents filed years ago. So you can still find a shedload of info on anyone who’s a director. I think a lot of people don’t realise this.

Merrymouse · 10/07/2025 11:19

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 10:22

I don’t disagree. I think this is an account the author never expected to be so successful, and didn’t expect to have people crawling all over with a microscope — rather like films in the days before you could freezeframe and read phone numbers and see tiny detail, and before peoole could get together to share online. (Matthew McFadyen once said at a Spooks thing that he’d absent-minded typed in his own phone number into a mobile his Spooks character was using in close up, and fans took screen shots and shared the number and he got hundreds of fan calls and had to change his number…)

I imagine the deceptions and omissions were cumulative over time, not some conscious attempt to hoodwink.

If, as RW claims in The Wild Silence, she originally wrote it as a present for Moth, to jog his memory about the walk when he seemed to be forgetting it, then there was presumably no need to lie, probably no need to include how they lost the house at all.

I imagine that her editor said ‘The reader needs more explanation of how you became homeless,’, and that this probably was added later, during the editorial process. By this stage RW knows it is going to be published, though not how successful it’s going to be, and has to come up with a backstory that doesn’t detract from the reason Michael Joseph bought the book and gave her an advance — the story of a plucky duo who lose everything because of their own trusting nature, and one of whom has just discovered he is dying from a rare disease, who walk the SWCP out of desperation, endure hardships and find hope.

If she tells the truth to her editor or agent at this point, she’s in breach of her contract. So they concoct the tissue of half-truths, switched timelines etc thst is the published version of TSP. And that hardens into ‘truth’ over the course of the promotion, and the interviews, features etc that the book’s success gave rise to. And had to be sustained in the sequels, the film adaptation etc.

If the publisher’s due diligence involved some form of check on Moth’s medical records, any of those letters would have done, even though the timeline is ‘off’. After all, very easy to say ‘We were homeless, we didn’t keep old documents.’

Moth’s Illness may have seemed to the legal read the key thing to be checked, as the court case was only ‘backstory’. And he clearly has some comparatively rare condition, which is progressing atypically. If anyone said ‘But the medical documents don’t match the timeline of the walk, it’s easy to grasp that homeless people don’t keep neat files of past medical correspondence, and old letters were destroyed by damp when stored in a friend’s barn, or whatever.

But yes, memoirs are by their nature selective and often compress events for dramatic purposes, so I think I’m far less shocked than some people. Or just around the writing process too much.

Or no, it’s just that I don’t need to believe the Winns/Walkers are nice or good people. I know a lot of writers, and some of them are beyond awful. Not embezzlers (or not thst I know of), but certainly at odds with their likeable narrative voices and funny, self-deprecating interview personae.

Edited

From what I understand the publisher's due diligence may not have gone any further than requiring the Walkers to sign a contract accepting responsibility for the veracity of their story.

However, the Cooper story never made sense. I wonder if the editor questioned it?

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:19

sualipa · 10/07/2025 11:15

That said she went on to sell over two million books and saw her story adapted into a major motion picture. From my limited but personal experience, I’ve found that highly successful people who rise to the top are often not particularly kind. They tend to have sharp elbows, can be mean-spirited, and frequently assess how useful someone might be before offering any semblance of friendship. Of course, this is a broad generalisation but I’ve encountered enough of these types professionally to believe it holds true, at least in general terms. And they certainly don’t have the time or inclination to post on internet forums!

Oh definitely, when it comes down to it, they enjoy wealth just as much as other mere mortals. They just don't want to actually go out and do a job for it.

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:21

Anyway, if she was writing it down to try and jog Tim's memory because he was starting to forget the walk, why not just, well, write it down? Rather than have to spice it up because an editor tells her that will be more sellable?

sualipa · 10/07/2025 11:23

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:21

Anyway, if she was writing it down to try and jog Tim's memory because he was starting to forget the walk, why not just, well, write it down? Rather than have to spice it up because an editor tells her that will be more sellable?

Do we know if she had help on the initial book to make it more sellable or is it all her own work ?

Dutchhouse14 · 10/07/2025 11:24

Can't believe there are 4 threads on this-but I'll add my two penny's worth!
Haven't read the book, just watched the film, which is excellent if you take it as a work of fiction/partly based on a true story.
As I left the cinema both me and my friend said the house loss wasn't properly explained /glossed over. And we also thought it was inplausible someone so seriously ill could walk so far in such challenging circumstances. We overheard many people saying similar things.
It was inspirational in the sense of f**k it let's do this, a really adventurous spirit.
They came across as very "middle class" with all the advantages that brings-even if you loss your home.-if you have education and connections you can pull yourself out of the sh*t more easily.
It's really interesting learning the true story behind it all but it should have been " based on true events" type story not an accurate blow by blow account, saying they made stupid financial decisions that led to the loss of their home would have been better even if they didn't admit theft. I wonder why she stole the money??
There's a theme of impulsive decision making throughout.
It's their kids that I feel sorry for.
But in the grand scheme of things she hadn't murdered anyone or bankrupted the country. But it is misleading and potentially damaging for those that really do have CBD, that's where the real harm lies.

Fandango52 · 10/07/2025 11:25

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:19

Oh definitely, when it comes down to it, they enjoy wealth just as much as other mere mortals. They just don't want to actually go out and do a job for it.

They’re pretty much at retirement age now, and have made quite a bit of money from the books, so I’m guessing they don’t need to work anymore.

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:25

Editors give prompts don't they?

I was referring back to a post quoted above and agreeing with it. Couldn't find the original one to quote!

If, as RW claims in The Wild Silence, she originally wrote it as a present for Moth, to jog his memory about the walk when he seemed to be forgetting it, then there was presumably no need to lie, probably no need to include how they lost the house at all.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 10/07/2025 11:27

HumbleWarrior · 10/07/2025 09:57

One of the weirdest things for me is the attempted deal with The Observer she describes in her statement:

"the Observer were offered the opportunity, by my lawyers, to discuss in detail the allegations made against me to correct their inaccurate account and to be guided on the truth, on the basis that the discussion would not be made public."

That's not how newspapers work! The journalist had been tipped off about a story and, rightly, approached the Walker-Winns for their side. Why on earth would they do a deal that meant getting the WW's version meant they weren't allowed to publish it? And why, given that rumours about them were already circulating and were realistically going to come out, wouldn't RW want to counter them with her 'truthful' account, instead of trying to hush it up?

The fact she wanted to do this seems an oddly damning thing to admit to in a statement intended to uphold her good name.

It also seems to be the same sort of bonkers logic that says you lend a friend money and agree to a loan, with interest, secured against your house when you want it back.

Actually - bearing in mind that if she told me that the sun was shining, I would need to check that is true - that isn't the weirdest thing at all. The weirdest thing is that it in no way whatsoever tallies with the statement that the Observer printed in the original article:
The Observer contacted Sally and Tim Walker, putting all the information we had gathered to them. They didn’t speak to us – instead Sally sent a short statement through her lawyers. “The Salt Path,” the statement says, “lays bare the physical and spiritual journey Moth and I shared, an experience that transformed us completely and altered the course of our lives. This is the true story of our journey.”

When a newspaper prints a story of this kind they must offer the "subject" the opportunity to comment and they must report that comment faithfully. Does anyone actually believe that they did not do so, and instead decided not to print a juicy response like "the Observer were offered the opportunity, by my lawyers, to discuss in detail the allegations made against me to correct their inaccurate account and to be guided on the truth, on the basis that the discussion would not be made public."

I am no journalist, but I know which of those two would be the comment I ran with, and it wouldn't have been the first one!

placemats · 10/07/2025 11:28

I'd be devastated if I discovered that an employee had been embezzling £63k from my business. It wasn't a mistake, it was intentional.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 10/07/2025 11:35

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:52

I doubt it he did a PhD in English Literature so he can write.

drive.google.com/file/d/1cd0kU_9U9qN_1M1N9F8KzL8vBIcRP9ze/view

I don't know if you have seen the quality of language skills in universities these days, but a PhD in English Literature does not mean someone can write. Nor that they do not use AI.

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:39

A degree in English language/Creative Writing would be more of an indicator about whether or not someone can write, I think

(pointless observation)

TheTwoOfUs · 10/07/2025 11:42

Merrymouse · 10/07/2025 11:19

From what I understand the publisher's due diligence may not have gone any further than requiring the Walkers to sign a contract accepting responsibility for the veracity of their story.

However, the Cooper story never made sense. I wonder if the editor questioned it?

No, that contract would be standard for any memoir, though -- that's not part of 'due diligence'. (Same as a standard fiction contract involves a stipulation that this is all your own work, not plagiarised etc, and putting the legal responsibility on you should that not be the case.)

There would probably have been a 'legal read', but it's perfectly possible this would have focused entirely on Moth's illness, and any queries might well have been satisfied with medical letters such as the ones RW photographed and put on her website with her rebuttal statement (ie 'Does he have this illness?' 'Here is a scan of a letter which mentions it as a possible diagnosis.' 'Fine.' Box ticked.) I suspect legal would have been chiefly concerned with RW not making any claims for extreme weight-bearing exercise for months at a time being a 'cure'.

I was also slightly amused by the fact that the letters, as they appear on RW's website, are photographed with a mobile phone, whose shadow is very obvious in the photos, and are not great photos. I think this was probably a deliberate choice to look a bit down-home and homely, and to avoid looking as if the rebuttal was a slick PR exercise.

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 11:43

I find it really odd that the Dy Dir book featured three male protagonists despite being written by a woman. What if Moth wrote the book?

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