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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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Stravaig · 10/07/2025 11:44

placemats · 10/07/2025 11:28

I'd be devastated if I discovered that an employee had been embezzling £63k from my business. It wasn't a mistake, it was intentional.

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I think the most insidious aspect of the Raynor Winn website statement is that it attempts to redirect sympathy and support from the many people who have been objectively harmed by their actions back to a 'woe is us being persecuted by nasty bullies' narrative.

No acknowledgement, no responsibility, no empathy, for anyone else; only thinly veiled anger and outrage that anyone dare hold them accountable.

QuaintPanda · 10/07/2025 11:47

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 09/07/2025 22:28

Rereading the Feb 2025 letter, does anyone else get the impression that the doctor is writing it because they have said people may question the diagnosis? It’s a very odd letter that reads more like a character reference than a normal consultant letter.

I felt it had a rather unusual tone for a Dr‘s letter. My more cynical side questioned the veracity of it - it was identical in layout to the other NHS letter but without the logos on the bottom. But they’ve probably got different styles of letter paper they can use.

Orangesandlemons77 · 10/07/2025 11:51

Stravaig · 10/07/2025 11:44

I think the most insidious aspect of the Raynor Winn website statement is that it attempts to redirect sympathy and support from the many people who have been objectively harmed by their actions back to a 'woe is us being persecuted by nasty bullies' narrative.

No acknowledgement, no responsibility, no empathy, for anyone else; only thinly veiled anger and outrage that anyone dare hold them accountable.

Well that kind of ties in with how they come across in the book really

diningiswest · 10/07/2025 11:54

I've written two memoirs (one ironically has some walking in it) and have never been asked for proof or had a legal read.

There was however, a huge amount of fact-checking in each case, but very much around references to other books, quotations and facts that could be googled rather than recollections.

To some degree, in commissioning the book you are putting your faith in the account, and recollections vary. But no one would have asked about skeletons in the closet, because most books don't get noticed to that extent.

Where this has happened more before is on tv, where you are more likely to be recognised as having a dodgy past, but even there due diligence only happens on the really big shows, not the daytime formats.

NimbleDreamer · 10/07/2025 11:55

Dutchhouse14 · 10/07/2025 11:24

Can't believe there are 4 threads on this-but I'll add my two penny's worth!
Haven't read the book, just watched the film, which is excellent if you take it as a work of fiction/partly based on a true story.
As I left the cinema both me and my friend said the house loss wasn't properly explained /glossed over. And we also thought it was inplausible someone so seriously ill could walk so far in such challenging circumstances. We overheard many people saying similar things.
It was inspirational in the sense of f**k it let's do this, a really adventurous spirit.
They came across as very "middle class" with all the advantages that brings-even if you loss your home.-if you have education and connections you can pull yourself out of the sh*t more easily.
It's really interesting learning the true story behind it all but it should have been " based on true events" type story not an accurate blow by blow account, saying they made stupid financial decisions that led to the loss of their home would have been better even if they didn't admit theft. I wonder why she stole the money??
There's a theme of impulsive decision making throughout.
It's their kids that I feel sorry for.
But in the grand scheme of things she hadn't murdered anyone or bankrupted the country. But it is misleading and potentially damaging for those that really do have CBD, that's where the real harm lies.

FFS I'm absolutely sick of this narrative.

She committed a crime and possibly very narrowly avoided going to prison for it. The crime was committed against hardworking ordinary honest people and from the family's account of it it absolutely devastated them in particular their husband/father who was so trusting of everyone who worked for him. That alone deserves the backlash that she is getting especially as she deliberately lied about it in her book to deceive readers and make money from them. She has put every detail about her life out there in the public eye so when it is found out to not be truthful and actually she is a criminal of course people are upset. I don't agree with this #bekind narrative that we are only allowed to criticise someone if they've raped or murdered someone or they've harmed millions of people i.e. "bankrupted the country".

Bruisername · 10/07/2025 11:57

It’s also quite common for small companies to fold after embezzlement as it often leads to other issues with unpaid invoices etc etc

you can’t underestimate the stress it can cause

WhatterySquash · 10/07/2025 12:01

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 10/07/2025 11:02

@WhatterySquash I do take your points and of course she nor anyone else doesn't deserve death threats (I'm guessing they are on SM as I haven't seen any on MN) or to have horrendous personal comments made about them.

I think my gripe is over the last 4(!) threads some posters have claimed that the embezzling wasn't that bad and people are only criticising because she's a woman and we are jealous of her. That kind of thinking doesn't help anyone.

I can only speak for myself but I honestly would say the same thing if genders were reversed.

Edited

I do agree, there's defending a woman from extreme persecution, which I support and I do think there's something in the claim that it's worse when it's women - and there's making out that it's all nothing but sexist hatred against a poor innocent lovely women and defending everything she says and does. They are different things but social media and commentary generally is so polarised that that kind of (to me fairly obvious) nuance is often swallowed up.

I felt the same about Kate Clanchy (though I'm not saying the two cases are comparable in most ways). I don't support death threats and vitriolic personal attacks, I was sorry for her to an extent, but I also thought the criticisms were fair and both she and her publishers were to blame for some eyewateringly unacceptable stuff being published. But in some quarters I wasn't allowed to think in such a way. Either she's evil and must be cancelled for ever, or she's a woman being attacked by the wokerati so she must be totally blameless and defended to the hilt. It's tiresome.

I also hope I would treat people the same way and consider the merits of the situation the same way whichever sex they were - but I think there is a general societal trend that doesn't. So, taking that into account means I may end up defending a woman more than I would a man, if I think there is misogyny involved.

TheTwoOfUs · 10/07/2025 12:04

WestwardHo1 · 10/07/2025 11:21

Anyway, if she was writing it down to try and jog Tim's memory because he was starting to forget the walk, why not just, well, write it down? Rather than have to spice it up because an editor tells her that will be more sellable?

Well, if it's actually true that she originally wrote it to jog Tim's memory about the walk, and had no thoughts of publication until their daughter suggested it, it won't have been in anywhere near publishable form when she sent it out on query, even if she altered things from the original 'for Tim's eyes only' version.

An agent could have been (and presumably was) attracted by a strong, original triumph-over-adversity 'hook' to a book about walking a long-distance path as a response to a crisis (which is, in itself, definitely fairly well-trodden).

Even if the writing was hit and miss, or there were things that needed addressing.

An agent will often do some editorial work on the book in collaboration with the author after he or she has agreed to represent it, before sending it out to editors.

Lunde · 10/07/2025 12:05

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 10:22

I don’t disagree. I think this is an account the author never expected to be so successful, and didn’t expect to have people crawling all over with a microscope — rather like films in the days before you could freezeframe and read phone numbers and see tiny detail, and before peoole could get together to share online. (Matthew McFadyen once said at a Spooks thing that he’d absent-minded typed in his own phone number into a mobile his Spooks character was using in close up, and fans took screen shots and shared the number and he got hundreds of fan calls and had to change his number…)

I imagine the deceptions and omissions were cumulative over time, not some conscious attempt to hoodwink.

If, as RW claims in The Wild Silence, she originally wrote it as a present for Moth, to jog his memory about the walk when he seemed to be forgetting it, then there was presumably no need to lie, probably no need to include how they lost the house at all.

I imagine that her editor said ‘The reader needs more explanation of how you became homeless,’, and that this probably was added later, during the editorial process. By this stage RW knows it is going to be published, though not how successful it’s going to be, and has to come up with a backstory that doesn’t detract from the reason Michael Joseph bought the book and gave her an advance — the story of a plucky duo who lose everything because of their own trusting nature, and one of whom has just discovered he is dying from a rare disease, who walk the SWCP out of desperation, endure hardships and find hope.

If she tells the truth to her editor or agent at this point, she’s in breach of her contract. So they concoct the tissue of half-truths, switched timelines etc thst is the published version of TSP. And that hardens into ‘truth’ over the course of the promotion, and the interviews, features etc that the book’s success gave rise to. And had to be sustained in the sequels, the film adaptation etc.

If the publisher’s due diligence involved some form of check on Moth’s medical records, any of those letters would have done, even though the timeline is ‘off’. After all, very easy to say ‘We were homeless, we didn’t keep old documents.’

Moth’s Illness may have seemed to the legal read the key thing to be checked, as the court case was only ‘backstory’. And he clearly has some comparatively rare condition, which is progressing atypically. If anyone said ‘But the medical documents don’t match the timeline of the walk, it’s easy to grasp that homeless people don’t keep neat files of past medical correspondence, and old letters were destroyed by damp when stored in a friend’s barn, or whatever.

But yes, memoirs are by their nature selective and often compress events for dramatic purposes, so I think I’m far less shocked than some people. Or just around the writing process too much.

Or no, it’s just that I don’t need to believe the Winns/Walkers are nice or good people. I know a lot of writers, and some of them are beyond awful. Not embezzlers (or not thst I know of), but certainly at odds with their likeable narrative voices and funny, self-deprecating interview personae.

Edited

TBH - the "true story" of a couple on the run from their creditors in the aftermath of stealing £64,000 from an employer, even though they avoided criminal charges, where Moth suffers a vague, but mild illness, would not have been touched by publishers.

prh47bridge · 10/07/2025 12:06

QuaintPanda · 10/07/2025 11:47

I felt it had a rather unusual tone for a Dr‘s letter. My more cynical side questioned the veracity of it - it was identical in layout to the other NHS letter but without the logos on the bottom. But they’ve probably got different styles of letter paper they can use.

Having now taken a look at the letters, I don't think they are all written by the same doctor. The 2019 letter may have been written by the doctor who reviewed the book. It is the right trust and the qualifications match, but that falls short of proof. The other two letters come from a different NHS trust and the writer's qualifications are not given.

The 2025 letter is very odd. It is addressed to "Dear colleague" whereas the others are addressed to named individuals. It also spends time praising the Walkers and talks about the film. I'm not sure why that would be included in a letter regarding a medical consultation.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 10/07/2025 12:07

sualipa · 10/07/2025 09:41

Has this been posted before - an archive of the prize winning farmhouse draw ?

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120628120623/www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20120628120623/www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/

That website is a strange one. The only person associated with Gangani Publishing Ltd on Companies House is Timothy Walker. The only book they have is 'How not to Dal dy Dir' by their only author Izzy Wyn Thomas alias Sally Walker. They are raffling the house.
Under the 'About Us' on the website are three individuals named but do they actually exist?
Tim Scott - Director
Duncan Hendry - Financial Controller
Paul Calais - Editor, Literary Advisor

Merrymouse · 10/07/2025 12:07

TheTwoOfUs · 10/07/2025 11:42

No, that contract would be standard for any memoir, though -- that's not part of 'due diligence'. (Same as a standard fiction contract involves a stipulation that this is all your own work, not plagiarised etc, and putting the legal responsibility on you should that not be the case.)

There would probably have been a 'legal read', but it's perfectly possible this would have focused entirely on Moth's illness, and any queries might well have been satisfied with medical letters such as the ones RW photographed and put on her website with her rebuttal statement (ie 'Does he have this illness?' 'Here is a scan of a letter which mentions it as a possible diagnosis.' 'Fine.' Box ticked.) I suspect legal would have been chiefly concerned with RW not making any claims for extreme weight-bearing exercise for months at a time being a 'cure'.

I was also slightly amused by the fact that the letters, as they appear on RW's website, are photographed with a mobile phone, whose shadow is very obvious in the photos, and are not great photos. I think this was probably a deliberate choice to look a bit down-home and homely, and to avoid looking as if the rebuttal was a slick PR exercise.

Is it likely that professionals were involved in the rebuttal?

Wouldn't they have noticed the 2015 letter that suggests that something is a bit off about the timeline?

Essentially, the statement just seems to confirm the Observer story -

Raynor/Sally was accused of stealing money and they used their house as security for a loan to borrow money to avoid a criminal prosecution.

Moth's symptoms are very mild, and, as suggested in the Observer, it is much more likely that his good health is an anomaly, and not evidence that walking can reverse progress of CBD.

Kipperandarthur · 10/07/2025 12:10

I haven't read the books, or seen the film but have certainly read the news articles and these threads so have learnt quite a bit in the process.

Whilst I agree that she obviously never expected to achieve the fame or notoriety that she has received, it strikes me as extremely dangerous to commit in writing (whether a book or magazine article etc.) a whole host of mistruths that are the fundamental crux of the story.

The seriousness of stealing from your employer tens of thousands of pounds and claiming a terminal diagnosis for your husband are not mere flourishes to a story when they are the central part of said story.

It was always going to come to light that she was playing hard and fast with the truth as is the case now. There were too many people who can verify that what she says simply is not true.

It also seems there is a wave of discontent around this couple ...
The comment from nephew
The falling out with the ex financier who lent them his property
Not to mention the widow of the employer she stole from.

It's obviously a pattern of behaviour and no doubt more will come out over time.

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 12:11

PrettyDamnCosmic · 10/07/2025 12:07

That website is a strange one. The only person associated with Gangani Publishing Ltd on Companies House is Timothy Walker. The only book they have is 'How not to Dal dy Dir' by their only author Izzy Wyn Thomas alias Sally Walker. They are raffling the house.
Under the 'About Us' on the website are three individuals named but do they actually exist?
Tim Scott - Director
Duncan Hendry - Financial Controller
Paul Calais - Editor, Literary Advisor

There is also a woman called Karen Smith (see pic)

Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
PrettyDamnCosmic · 10/07/2025 12:12

Catwith69lives · 10/07/2025 09:52

The narrative in TSP and the prize draw for their farmhouse by Gangani Publishing makes no sense.

According to the events recounted in TSP, the court judgement allowing the creditors to repossess the Walkers' farmhouse occurred in June 2013. They then had 5 days to vacate the property and set off on thier walk on the SWCP soon after (6 Aug 2013). Yet Gangani Publishing (which only ever published one book (How not to Dal dy Dir by Izzy Winn-Thomas) was set up on 21 March 2012 and dissolved on 30 July 2013. The company (Gangani Publishing Ltd) was set up soon after the court judgment in Feb 2012 that the Walkers had 12 months to find the money to repay the loan (£150,000). So if they were actively seeking to auction their house between March 2012 and July 2013 the eventual court decision to evict them in July 2013 can hardly have come as a great surprise.

Am I missing something here?

Edited

Closing date for the prize draw was 31st January 2013.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121210222943/www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/pages/prize-draw-terms-conditions" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20121210222943/www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/pages/prize-draw-terms-conditions

Gangani Publishing — Gangani Publishing Free Prize Draw - Terms And Conditions

&nbsp; Gangani Publishing Free Prize Draw Terms &amp; Conditions 1.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Gangani prize draw must be played in accordanc...

https://web.archive.org/web/20121210222943/http://www.ganganipublishing.co.uk/pages/prize-draw-terms-conditions

Kipperandarthur · 10/07/2025 12:12

Lunde · 10/07/2025 12:05

TBH - the "true story" of a couple on the run from their creditors in the aftermath of stealing £64,000 from an employer, even though they avoided criminal charges, where Moth suffers a vague, but mild illness, would not have been touched by publishers.

Basically this in a nutshell.

Barbadossunset · 10/07/2025 12:15

placemats · Today 11:28
I'd be devastated if I discovered that an employee had been embezzling £63k from my business. It wasn't a mistake, it was intentional

I agree. Sorry if this has already been covered but when she paid the money back to her former boss, she insisted on a NDA. I wonder if this was because she was already planning the book and didn’t want her boss to make her theft public knowledge once it was published.

Lunde · 10/07/2025 12:17

prh47bridge · 10/07/2025 12:06

Having now taken a look at the letters, I don't think they are all written by the same doctor. The 2019 letter may have been written by the doctor who reviewed the book. It is the right trust and the qualifications match, but that falls short of proof. The other two letters come from a different NHS trust and the writer's qualifications are not given.

The 2025 letter is very odd. It is addressed to "Dear colleague" whereas the others are addressed to named individuals. It also spends time praising the Walkers and talks about the film. I'm not sure why that would be included in a letter regarding a medical consultation.

I said on the previous thread that the 2025 letter reads like the Walkers asked for it as the film-company wanted a recent medical letter for box-ticking/arse covering.

placemats · 10/07/2025 12:19

Sally said in her statement "The last few days have been some of the hardest of my life. Heartbreaking accusations that Moth has made up his illness have been made, leaving us devastated."

It's not true that the Observer said that Moth had made up his illness and I've not seen that accusation on these threads, otherwise I would call it out.

She left a local business she worked for devastated after her embezzlement. That part of her statement is beyond words at how unempathetic she is. Just awful behaviour.

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 12:21

PrettyDamnCosmic · 10/07/2025 12:07

That website is a strange one. The only person associated with Gangani Publishing Ltd on Companies House is Timothy Walker. The only book they have is 'How not to Dal dy Dir' by their only author Izzy Wyn Thomas alias Sally Walker. They are raffling the house.
Under the 'About Us' on the website are three individuals named but do they actually exist?
Tim Scott - Director
Duncan Hendry - Financial Controller
Paul Calais - Editor, Literary Advisor

It also says "Disclaimer - no bank loans or grants were harmed in the making of this Company!"

I mean who in the world feels the need to point that out?!

BufferingAgain · 10/07/2025 12:26

’Witch hunt’ implies unfairly going after an innocent person.

This kind of crime normally carries a sentence of three or four years in prison. As a middle class ish person, she was able to access £100k to pay it back after discovery - others without the connections would have been in jail.

And still just excuses. It was before the economic crash of 2008 (and?). It was a pressured time. It was also a time when mistakes were being made in the business.

With the poor bloke no longer alive to defend himself.

Betty91 · 10/07/2025 12:27

I think your opinion on all this depends on whether you've had the misfortune to cross paths (no pun intended) with these casual and prolific liars. I have, so can only see this story through that lens. She follows the exact MO of people I know who have been found out - lies a bit more, apologises in a way that makes it feel cruel to hold her accountable, cries, minimises, gets a bit righteous, deflects & plays victim. The one thing I have learnt from people like this is they will sweep it all under the rug like nothing happened - but they never learn or take responsibility & will lie about anything & everything. I feel sorry for the people out of pocket because of her - less sorry for the publishers & everyone who made money - but most sorry for the people who were given false hope about their unwell loved ones.

TheTwoOfUs · 10/07/2025 12:29

Is it likely that professionals were involved in the rebuttal?

I can't imagine otherwise, @Merrymouse. It's not just the Walkers' reputation that is at stake here, any more -- there's that of the publisher, the film production company etc. Any other organisations or groups that might suffer from the story breaking, have to cancel or alter an event and/or be brought into disrepute (eg. he band she tours with, literary festivals who had booked her ahead of the fourth book coming out, the Arvon courses she was supposed to be doing etc).

Quite apart from the legal advice RW originally said she was taking after the story broke, the names and email addresses of her agent, Jennifer Christie, and a media/PR person at Penguin Random House are given at the bottom of the statement. They will be fielding queries from journalists, requests for interviews with RW, potentially creditors like the man in the garage owed money etc etc.

outofofficeagain · 10/07/2025 12:30

prh47bridge · 10/07/2025 12:06

Having now taken a look at the letters, I don't think they are all written by the same doctor. The 2019 letter may have been written by the doctor who reviewed the book. It is the right trust and the qualifications match, but that falls short of proof. The other two letters come from a different NHS trust and the writer's qualifications are not given.

The 2025 letter is very odd. It is addressed to "Dear colleague" whereas the others are addressed to named individuals. It also spends time praising the Walkers and talks about the film. I'm not sure why that would be included in a letter regarding a medical consultation.

Medical letters are sent from consultants to GPs and often contain all sorts of weird details.

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