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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 09/07/2025 20:23

The Observer The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Second article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-whats-in-the-book-and-what-the-observer-has-found

Third article in the Observer
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-salt-path-the-truth-behind-the-blockbuster-book-video

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EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 10:19

Here's what ChatGPT had to say about the Dal Dy Dir book:

Primary Characters
Ellias – A drifter seeking stability, trying to forge roots after a nomadic childhood with Baxter.
Baxter – Ellias’s closest companion; also a refugee from a turbulent, itinerant past. Together they dream of a permanent life, away from the roads and transience.
Jeremy – A childhood friend whose path has led him into banking and real estate—tied to wealth and power, contrasting sharply with Ellias and Baxter’s uncertain existence.
🧭 Plot Summary
1. Arrival in Llyn Peninsula
Ellias and Baxter set out to settle on the Llyn Peninsula, idealising a simple, tranquil life. But the land proves harsh—bordered by sea storms and old rock, constantly testing their resolve.
2. Struggles and Tensions
They confront financial instability, isolation, and a sense of alienation from the community. Their dream of home is eroded by daily hardship—dismantling psychological safety and mental resilience.
3. Jeremy’s Return
Jeremy re-enters their world, bringing with him affluence and ambition. His success starkly highlights Ellias and Baxter’s vulnerabilities. His motive isn’t entirely altruistic—real-estate prospects might mean disrupting their plans.
4. Clashing Visions
Identity, class, and loyalty collide. Evanescent dreams shift as internal tensions surface. Baxter clings to endurance; Ellias begins to question whether they should leave the land behind before it breaks them.
5. Climactic Storm & Emotional Breaking Point
A brutal coastal gale—"winds gusting to force eight… crushing down on her with dragons breath"—mirrors the characters' breaking points. Ellias, possibly even a female protagonist depending on excerpt, finds herself in a frail shack, the limewash peeling, on the verge of despair, contemplating surrender to the elements.
6. Denouement
The narrative poses profound questions: Will Ellias, Baxter, and Jeremy find redemption? Does the promise of home justify the price they pay? Or will dreams dissolve in the face of nature, ownership, and unmet desires?

MyGodMyThighs · 10/07/2025 10:20

Something I have noticed about the neurologist:

His full name is Dr Richard Rhys Davies: www.liverpool.ac.uk/people/rhys-davies

A Richard Rhys Davis (occupation 'doctor') is listed on Companies House as director of a company listed as 'Other letting and operating of own or leased real estate': https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/enRs8Z_P2teoySzFCWkW6zJo1Vc/appointments

There are certainly some odd property connections weaving throughout this story.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:20

If someone like Lance Armstrong can stage a comeback after global disgrace, then Raynor Winn certainly has a path forward. There's enough genuine substance in her story to build a credible redemption arc perhaps not for everyone, but the world is drawn to tales of recovery and forgiveness. After all, entire religions are founded on such premises.

EternalLodga · 10/07/2025 10:22

ChatGPT links to a website where somebody reviewed the Dal Dy Dir book, and underneath the review is this comment which is interesting as it suggests the publishing company had at least one employee (might take a few seconds for the image to upload)

Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
HolyPond · 10/07/2025 10:22

Katbum · 10/07/2025 09:50

I think this is more of an example of how the publishing industry (and the reading public) cannot deal in complexity, hence the book had to be a wholly sanitised and heroic version of an infinitely more complex and compromised reality. The healing arc is a fiction placed over the truth in order to make a saleable book. Most memoirs do this (albeit to a less egregious degree) because readers want a sanitised version of reality and not a reflection of the real thing.

I don’t disagree. I think this is an account the author never expected to be so successful, and didn’t expect to have people crawling all over with a microscope — rather like films in the days before you could freezeframe and read phone numbers and see tiny detail, and before peoole could get together to share online. (Matthew McFadyen once said at a Spooks thing that he’d absent-minded typed in his own phone number into a mobile his Spooks character was using in close up, and fans took screen shots and shared the number and he got hundreds of fan calls and had to change his number…)

I imagine the deceptions and omissions were cumulative over time, not some conscious attempt to hoodwink.

If, as RW claims in The Wild Silence, she originally wrote it as a present for Moth, to jog his memory about the walk when he seemed to be forgetting it, then there was presumably no need to lie, probably no need to include how they lost the house at all.

I imagine that her editor said ‘The reader needs more explanation of how you became homeless,’, and that this probably was added later, during the editorial process. By this stage RW knows it is going to be published, though not how successful it’s going to be, and has to come up with a backstory that doesn’t detract from the reason Michael Joseph bought the book and gave her an advance — the story of a plucky duo who lose everything because of their own trusting nature, and one of whom has just discovered he is dying from a rare disease, who walk the SWCP out of desperation, endure hardships and find hope.

If she tells the truth to her editor or agent at this point, she’s in breach of her contract. So they concoct the tissue of half-truths, switched timelines etc thst is the published version of TSP. And that hardens into ‘truth’ over the course of the promotion, and the interviews, features etc that the book’s success gave rise to. And had to be sustained in the sequels, the film adaptation etc.

If the publisher’s due diligence involved some form of check on Moth’s medical records, any of those letters would have done, even though the timeline is ‘off’. After all, very easy to say ‘We were homeless, we didn’t keep old documents.’

Moth’s Illness may have seemed to the legal read the key thing to be checked, as the court case was only ‘backstory’. And he clearly has some comparatively rare condition, which is progressing atypically. If anyone said ‘But the medical documents don’t match the timeline of the walk, it’s easy to grasp that homeless people don’t keep neat files of past medical correspondence, and old letters were destroyed by damp when stored in a friend’s barn, or whatever.

But yes, memoirs are by their nature selective and often compress events for dramatic purposes, so I think I’m far less shocked than some people. Or just around the writing process too much.

Or no, it’s just that I don’t need to believe the Winns/Walkers are nice or good people. I know a lot of writers, and some of them are beyond awful. Not embezzlers (or not thst I know of), but certainly at odds with their likeable narrative voices and funny, self-deprecating interview personae.

Toomuchstufff · 10/07/2025 10:23

Uricon2 · 10/07/2025 10:16

Just trying to catch up but this struck me. It's from the original Observer piece and relates to the purchase of the French property.

So £90K approx +£10.5K approx at 18% interest. Very close to "£100K at 18% interest".

Sorry if this is totally irrelevant or been mentioned. I'm not sure how it fits into the twists and turns, if at all!

ETA so sorry, it hasn't copied but the document (signed by Tim) is in the CH article.

Edited

What is the CH article?

Bruisername · 10/07/2025 10:23

Has lance armstrong staged a comeback?

of course she can come back from it - she may have lost a lot of fans but there will be a lot who will forgive or believe her unquestioningly. I do think she would help herself by being more honest and apologetic though.

perhaps she can go on a long walk to think about her behaviour

prh47bridge · 10/07/2025 10:24

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 09:04

Thanks, @AldoGordo — that makes sense. I did wonder about what happens when a heavily-mortgaged house is legally repossessed with the proceeds (apparently?) going to a creditor other than the mortgage lender…?

Reading The Wild Silence atm, and interested in the fact that they pay the owner of the cider farm rent, even though at times she seems to present it as the owner doing them a favour and despite the house, as RW depicts it, is uninhabitable, with standing water in some rooms, huge mould, and infested with mice. Also, before they move in, someone vandalises the house, gluing the locks shut, throwing red paint everywhere and writing SCUM (and a giant penis) on the exterior. They write it off as ‘kids’, but is it another Walker enemy disgruntled about a debt?

The mortgage lender would almost certainly have had priority, so they would have been paid first. The creditors would have got whatever was left. As that wouldn't have covered the amount they were owed, the Walkers would still have owed the balance. However, my guess is that the creditors wrote it off at this stage as the Walkers had no obvious assets to go after.

EsmaCannonball · 10/07/2025 10:27

I wish people wouldn't post the views of a random blogger without explaining it is just a random blogger and, therefore, has no more expertise or authority than any old post on here.

HolyPond · 10/07/2025 10:30

EsmaCannonball · 10/07/2025 10:27

I wish people wouldn't post the views of a random blogger without explaining it is just a random blogger and, therefore, has no more expertise or authority than any old post on here.

But it’s obvious when you read his post, surely.

WhatterySquash · 10/07/2025 10:30

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 10/07/2025 10:15

I saw that Milli Hill defended Winn on the basis that she’s a human being and woman in the centre of a shitstorm and it’s a horrible place to be.

I really don't understand this. Are we not meant to criticise someone for embezzling 65K from their employer because of their gender? Are we meant to believe she did it by accident due to being a silly woman and laugh it off with a "what's she like" eye roll.

If the shoe was on the other foot, Moth was the successful author and Ray/Sally was the one making Lazarus like recovery from a terminal diagnosis by walking I"m pretty sure the reporting would be the same and I know that I definitely would still type every word of my previous posts.

Edited

I think you can defend someone from the extremes of personal attack and persecution, without that meaning you believe every word they say. I think it’s fine to criticise, investigate and point out discrepancies and if someone has committed a crime it’s ok for that to be public knowledge. But I took MH to be pointing out that being public enemy number 1 is incredibly tough and involves cruelty that is not reasonable (like violent threats). Also, you can be treated like this when you haven’t done anything wrong, just for taking a side in a debate as we have all seen with the gender issue, Gaza and so on.

it’s not always black and white. Pointing out that someone in RW’s position is suffering and defending them from the worst kinds of persecution is not equal to saying they did nothing wrong and should be treated with kid gloves.

I do also think women are treated worse in these kinds of situations but I totally admit that’s a personal impression and I’d have to do a lot of work to prove it.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:32

Bruisername · 10/07/2025 10:23

Has lance armstrong staged a comeback?

of course she can come back from it - she may have lost a lot of fans but there will be a lot who will forgive or believe her unquestioningly. I do think she would help herself by being more honest and apologetic though.

perhaps she can go on a long walk to think about her behaviour

Well, he managed to maintain a credible public persona and doesn’t live under a lasting cloud of shame and let’s not forget, he never admitted the truth initially. If Raynor Winn were to write a more honest account her real story, or even just her side of it I’d be genuinely interested in reading that. But I was never particularly drawn to her earlier work. That said, I imagine Penguin would see clear potential in some sort of spin-off or continuation. As the saying goes, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

She’s likely earned a substantial amount from her books, and if even passively invested over the past decade, her net worth has probably grown significantly potentially into the millions, which is more than enough for most people. I don’t imagine she’ll be spat at in the street or anything like that.

prh47bridge · 10/07/2025 10:34

AldoGordo · 10/07/2025 09:51

Unproven but one hint is the neurologist's letter head on the 2019 letter shows the same long list of letters (academic qualifications) after his name as the reviewer. Also, his name fits in the redacted space perfectly. And he's based at the specialist unit in Liverpool where RW says they went to receive the diagnosis. Of course, could be coincidence. But there is enough to imply they are the same person.

Not sure how common that particular list of letters is amongst neurologists. Of course, even if it is the same person, he may not have known that "Ryder Winn" was the wife of one of his patients at the time he wrote the review.

Namechangedfortheterfasaurs · 10/07/2025 10:36

EnidSpyton · 10/07/2025 10:15

No, you can't use a pseudonym on Companies' House.

It's considered fraud.

No. The law will change from autumn this year to prevent use of a pseudonym but at present it is legal. See this article which I posted a few pages ago now www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/18/companies-house-to-stop-fraudsters-signing-up-under-fake-names-like-darth-vader

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:38

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 10/07/2025 10:15

I saw that Milli Hill defended Winn on the basis that she’s a human being and woman in the centre of a shitstorm and it’s a horrible place to be.

I really don't understand this. Are we not meant to criticise someone for embezzling 65K from their employer because of their gender? Are we meant to believe she did it by accident due to being a silly woman and laugh it off with a "what's she like" eye roll.

If the shoe was on the other foot, Moth was the successful author and Ray/Sally was the one making Lazarus like recovery from a terminal diagnosis by walking I"m pretty sure the reporting would be the same and I know that I definitely would still type every word of my previous posts.

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Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Bruisername · 10/07/2025 10:40

I don’t know milli hill or why she was public enemy number 1

i think trying to make it because she’s a woman is disingenuous tbh

HonoriaBulstrode · 10/07/2025 10:43

Gigspanner are desperately trying to salvage their tour from the tattered ruins

From what I've seen of them on Youtube, they are more than good enough to stand on their own. (Fun fact - according to Wiki, Peter Knight was once a Womble and appeared on TOTP as Uncle Bulgaria.)

But I also think people love a whodunnit and using the internet to investigate, and situations like this let everyone have a go like we’re doing our own investigative podcast.

So much of the information is in the public domain and available to anyone who knows where to look.

Remember Clive and Iuliia? That was entertaining while it lasted and the eventual outcome showed that suspicions were fully justified. Clive was also (supposedly) a middle aged off grid New Age hippy type.

TorroFerney · 10/07/2025 10:45

SomethingFun · 09/07/2025 22:10

I don’t get the impression that she thinks she’s done anything wrong. Her boss had more money than her, she needed and felt she deserved more money so she took it. When she was found out she didn’t want to get a criminal record so she found someone else with money and took out a loan I imagine she had no intention of paying back to pay the first lot off. But she sees herself as a good and nice and kind person who has fallen on hard times and she deserves these things and people with more than her obviously don’t deserve their things and you can take them off them and it just balances out. From the free cups of tea and nicking hot water for a shower to paying off your embezzlement with a loan, it’s the same behaviour and motivation. Marketing this behaviour as being a free spirit and at one with nature is genius.

Agree with this. She’s justified it to herself, we all do it to a certain extent , obviously with very little things so eg I’ll take an apple from breakfast from the hotel as I’ve paid a fortune for the room so I am owed it.

her things are just bigger and she’s morally bankrupt. I’m not saying she’s justified she’s absolutely despicable , just that looking at it from our (decent person) point of view is pointless as she doesn’t have that decency.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:46

I think there is a backlash to the backlash the vast majority of folks are not over invested in the story and probably tend on the side of trust and if the book is still selling well as this author suggests then I guess the storm is passing.

Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
Thread 4: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?
MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 10/07/2025 10:46

AnOlderGranny · 10/07/2025 09:22

@sualipa You say you can't post the link but you could say who wrote this and where it's from, so we can look for ourselves.

I think it's very obvious that AI wrote it?

KidsDoBetter · 10/07/2025 10:47

mycatismyworld · 10/07/2025 09:58

Raynor Winn has one appointment, according to companies house. I'm aware of Sally and Timothy Walker having a limited company. Are you even legally able to use a pseudonym on companies house?

This has all been covered right on thread 1

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:48

When JK Rowling opines (if ever) then that will be it settled for me !

Stravaig · 10/07/2025 10:51

I hope that if anyone writing here is a friend of the Walkers/Winns, or is a representative of any of the connected entities who are affected, and is being paid to defend their reputation and influence public opinion, then they have the basic integrity to declare it.

Not doing so will only muddy the waters and further destroy trust.

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:52

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 10/07/2025 10:46

I think it's very obvious that AI wrote it?

I doubt it he did a PhD in English Literature so he can write.

drive.google.com/file/d/1cd0kU_9U9qN_1M1N9F8KzL8vBIcRP9ze/view

sualipa · 10/07/2025 10:54

Stravaig · 10/07/2025 10:51

I hope that if anyone writing here is a friend of the Walkers/Winns, or is a representative of any of the connected entities who are affected, and is being paid to defend their reputation and influence public opinion, then they have the basic integrity to declare it.

Not doing so will only muddy the waters and further destroy trust.

Not me but if anybody wants to pay me - PM me and I will up my game and I am cheap !

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