To think the BMA have misjudged with another doctor's strike?

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Last year they got more than anyone else in the NHS along with an improved deal. Nurses and other AHPs received lower rises.

BMA have just announced another 'resident' doctor strike continuing to chase pay restoration to 2008 levels.

Having just had the major win with changes to IMG prioritisation and the clamp-down on PAs it feels a bit tone-deaf and I can't see Streeting going for it.

Strongly agree that the doctors can afford the luxury of striking given the general affluence of the vast majority of their backgrounds, and that nurses can't.

mumsneedwine joining at page 31/40 I would say that I'm less on cue and rather, fashionably late.

Oh dear. My ex students are not wealthy, in fact most were FSM or PP. Can’t afford to strike but can’t afford not to. But rich entitled people will never understand.

@Sevillian but you turn up to be rude as usual. You and your mate will start the snide bitchiness again I suppose.

But goodness, the young male doctor acquaintance of yours who needs help from MN on how to apply for a LED post seriously lacks initiative. That would be a concern for me (assuming he's real).

Yup. Snide bitchiness as usual.

There are people on these threads who are neither rich nor entitled.

Do try to exchange posts in a civil way mumsneedwine. Others manage.

“ They know more about the real world than you ever will”
That’s a rude and personal attack.
You have absolutely no idea about my background.

For a large cohort who graduated in a single subject, doctors are well paid. And their pensions are the envy of many

Any whinging over the fact that some others are better paid is likely to lose them what public sympathy they have so far retained.

You know this when you sign up.

It does not make it right though and it’s disappointing it has not changed.

@littlemissprosseco true, I’m sorry if that upset you. But you claimed all doctors don’t know what the real world is.🤷‍♀️

I never said anyone on this thread was rich or entitled ? Strange comment (unless someone thinks they are ?)

So simple.

This would be interpreted by the normal reader as you saying that those on this thread who said doctors could afford to strike are coming at it from a perspective of wealthy entitlement. There's no other reading possible.

A considerable number of resident doctors freely express the view that the NHS can’t collapse quickly enough.

This was a highly niche view 10 years ago and was outside of the discourse 20 years ago

No i didn’t, I said
“I think the problem is that the young doctors have been brought up in a world which focuses on the individual and their well being. They then get thrown into the real world of the NHS”
The real world of the NHS is definitely not the real world!!
Im a medic. I have a medic dd, and a pharmacist dd. It’s tough out there.
I feel that the young doctors striking will not endear them to the public

As the figures aren't out, how do you know? 92% was "plucked" from GMC data that you didn't read. (I'm interested in how you rate "probably more like 30%" as a plucked figure, in comparison.)

I did not quote things that happened five years ago, I referred to current LEO data on the earnings of graduates who left university five years earlier. Graduates with a medical degree earn more than those with any other sort of degree. I don't think that I can put it any more simply than that.

It has been pointed out to you many times that consultants are well paid, your stock response is what matters is what juniors are paid now. What they are paid 15 months or 5 years into their training is more than any other kind of graduate, and their employment prospects are infinitely better than any job that even gets close to a similar remuneration.

I think it’s the wrong time to go on strike.

But I think that resident doctors’ conditions need to improve so that they can worry less about rota errors, crappy comms from HR, inflexibility with leave, box-ticking for portfolios, and more about delivering good patient care.

I am from the era of 56h shifts in the nineties, but at least I had lots of time to spend with patients. The over focus on kpis and leadership courses has not improved training in my opinion.

And I work with many residents. They are grounded, lovely and hard-working. I have not had a ‘trainee in difficulty’ for many years. The majority go above and beyond for patients and are humble and decent.. I have to say, I cannot reconcile the ones I see with the greedy, selfish, mollycoddled young doctors I see described on here. Maybe I have been lucky, who knows.

DD has done 75 hours this week and one more day to go. Rota was for 72. Know it’s not normal but it does still happen.

92% of F2s who apply for not get into training in 2025. 30% is the estimated NHSE figure.

But some people just don’t like doctors, which is clear. It’s their choice,

Well if they freely express it in my vicinity they will
have to find someone else to sign their competency forms!

Thank you for saying this, I sometimes feel like I’m the one of the v few sticking up for young doctors.

@littlemissprosseco then I interpreted what you said incorrectly and I apologise. The reality of the NHS is pretty shocking. Many of my students worked as HCAs while training so had an idea what was going on. I hope your DD has a job this year

30% of F2s. Not 30% of applicants.

I’d be cautious about admitting that if I were you.

Competency is assessed on the basis of, well - competency! If we’re going to let political opinions come into it then we’re on a very slippery slope