A future Reform government is looking more and more likely

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The Tories ruined the country to such an extent that they are potentially finished, forever.

Labour, in the last year, have hit new depths of incompetence and stupidity.

Taxes are higher than ever and businesses are being destroyed under the weight of NI increases

Gilt yields higher now than under Truss

National debt at unprecedented levels and debt interested out of control

Food inflation nearing 10%

Top rate taxpayers leaving the country in their tens of thousands, a complete disaster given that the top 1% pay nearly a third of all tax

Welfare out of control with 1000 people a day going onto disability benefits

Illegal migration even worse than under the Tories

And the latest from Labour…..a deal with France to bring over migrants into the UK. Cue the outrage and noise about but yeah, they’re coming over anyway, it’s one in one out, it’s family connection only (like anyone is going to test DNA to prove family connections) yada yada yada. It’s not the point. The country does not need more pull factors. This is going to be a huge one. It’s practically going to turn illegal migration into legal, the idea being to massage the numbers.

Reform are being handed power on a plate by this shower. They couldn’t ask for a better campaigning outfit than this Labour government.

How do you or anyone think any of those things will improve by voting for Reform?

I can see why you think it might be, but I honestly don't think it will happen. Reform are going to self destruct before the next election. They say what (lots of) people want to hear and I can seen why they've become popular, but they're so incompetent. They can't even vet their few MPs properly, they're even more a out egos and infighting than the other parties and they can't even explain their own policies.

And, personally, I think Labour seem to be doing badly because that's what some people, especially the press, want to believe, but they're actually getting a lot right. Hopefully people will start feeling the benefit of that before the next election.

after what the clown said about school transport yesterday he showed he has no idea.

To be fair, there would probably be fewer people on disability benefits if the Tories hadn't of slashed the NHS and mental health support since 2010.

No not a chance will people in huge numbers vote for a racist, homophobic, ableist party it will effect to many people. Most people fit into them categories or know someone who does. Our mp is reform and he did a YouTube video going on and on about how autism and adhd arent real and how nobody should get pip and everyone should be working (he didn't seem to grasp pip wasnt an out of work benefit) also how all parents should be working full time no matter how young their children are. Basically get rid of all benefits. Also privatising the nhs he has very very strong views

Unfortunately people already did vote for them in huge numbers. I don't have a lot of faith that a nasty party can't win. They play on people's legitimate worries and make them feel heard.

The trouble is they're not competent enough to do anything about it. They'll stop the boats, but how? Cut school transport spending, but not for those with ECHPs, which is where most of it is spent, they'll have massive tax cuts, but how that will be paid for is just details they have no interest in...

They can't even manage to keep four or five party members in line - if people vote for them to run an entire country then they're insane.

They've also just asked all the creeps, fraudsters, racists and weirdos who failed the candidate vetting last time to re-apply as they've relaxed their criteria owing to 'common sense'. So that bodes well.

Lis Truss’ budget was Blue Kip
It was exactly what UKIP had expounded as fiscally prudent to their political vision.
Reform will be the same, because it’s essentially the same party with the same ideology.
Who knows how the UK public will vote. They will, however, get the politicians they deserve.

You are missing the point. People will vote to get Labour out and keep the Tories out.

Lots of Americans voted for Trump. Potentially against their own best interests- because they didn’t realise that they would lose out.

The chattering classes were shocked by the Brexit vote.

Unfortunately anything is possible.

We're not there yet. I haven't seen anything from Reform that suggests they have a plan to fix any of that. All we'll get from Reform today is division and debt. Reform will squabble themselves into oblivion before then anyway.

People will also vote tactically to keep Reform out. I’d even vote Tory if it was tactically the only way to dodge a Reform government.

That would only make sense if Reform were better than either of them.

But people do seem to make decisions based on emotion, than try to justify them with logic. And to try to get the logic to fit their decision, they sometimes rely on biased sources and cherry-picked data. So, anything could happen.

Not Reform as such but a right wing coalition will get in. Hopefully including some Conservatives who may bring a semblance of sense. Because Reform alone must know they are incapable of government. They simply must.

YANBU OP
People will be shocked by it because very few people think it’s relevant to bring up that they plan on quietly voting for Reform in polite conversation for fear of being branded a racist.

More in Common's July MRP https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/more-in-common-s-july-mrp/

So, this MRP polling done recently by More in Common suggests that, not only will Reform be the largest party but is in striking distance of becoming the majority party, using a survey of 10000 people - which is about five times as large as the typical weekly poll on voting intentions.

Unless Labour can offer more than they have this year the it looks like a distinct possiblity.

How though? They're not doing a very good job with the bit of power they have?

Is reform even a political party yet?

People say they'll stop the boats. HOW? None of them can answer it.

I wouldn't rule it out. I'm a lifelong Labour supporter but I no longer recognise the party I've aligned with all my life. I feel completely politically homeless. I don't think I'm the only one.

I would spoil my ballot before I voted Reform, but I know other people in my position who are starting to make vague noises about voting Reform. It makes no sense to me because everything I hate about the current Labour party would be 1000x worse under Reform. I think a lot of people are just angry and want Labour to hear them and acknowledge it.

Yanbu on the list you’ve written, and it is helping Reform. Approval rating is very low. Especially after last few weeks.

I think it's totally possible! There have been lots of threads of MN lately that have been full of posters expressing anger and upset about growing tax rises and issues like disability benefits and immigration that they feel have spiralled out of control. Inevitably other posters will pile on to these threads and accuse people of racism/ableism to shut down discussion and debate but the sentiment remains and hardens. Reform are the only party that are brave enough to try different things. I know someone upthread said the school transport comment from Farage means they are less likely to get voted in but I actually think the opposite. He is daring to challenge the status quo on issues where people feel like their anger is being ignored.

Personally I don't want to vote Reform but I really really wish another more reasonable party would have the guts to tackle these issues properly. Expectations and entitlement needs to be managed and we need a government that can grasp some control back.

People will vote for them because like it or not they are the only party that’s addressing issues such as immigration and listening to the concerns from the public. The other parties have a few years to wake up and realise that the public has had enough of more people coming here to live when the standard of living has dropped so dramatically. We’ve tried the Tories and Labour and things are getting worse so it’s not difficult to see why people would be tempted by a politician who they think is actually listening to them. Love or hate Farage he’s got excellent public speaking skills and the only thing I like about him is he actually answers a question that’s put to him rather than spout out something that has no relevance or blame another party (the labour default response). I’m undecided who I’d vote for next election, definitely not Labour but it’s interesting to see if Reform can keep their momentum going over the next few years.

I think it is possible Farage could be the next PM, but as leader of the Conservatives, Reform wont make it to the next election. He'll be dreadful, wants the kudos but not to do the work, like Boris, but that doesn't stop people voting for charismatic people.

The thing that boggles my head about politics is the promises but not allowed to see the books before getting into power. So it looks like they lied about promises. Mopping up after a party who has been on power for over a decade probably is a bit of a task. Especially with a Pandemic thrown in.

No wonder prime ministers age rapidly.

I think that you’re right that a Reform government would be the most likely outcome if we had a GE now. It would be a disaster for the country as they are all dire both in character and ability but I accept that as things stand they are on a wave of popularity (aided by the right wing media).

The good news is that there won’t be a GE for another four years probably by which time either Reform will have fizzled out or other parties will have sorted themselves out.

Is this the daily Support Reform thread?

Despite the Labour antics to date I still wouldn't vote Reform if you paid me.