Is Pride exempt from public indecency rules?

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DD (aged 14) went into London today with a friend she is staying with. I can only assume friend’s parents didn’t realise it was pride weekend and we don’t live anywhere near London so had no idea.

Aside from the fact that it was a complete ballache getting back out because tube stations were closed, DD said she was shocked at some of the things she saw in terms of arses on display with men just wearing “thongs”.

How is it OK to have such sexualised stuff going on in view of young kids?

Me neither. Thongs on display in the playgrounds? Where the fuck is this?

I was in Soho yesterday- It was all good natured and fun and I felt safe in a warm inclusive environment. Yes there were a few bum cheeks here and there but it was mostly dress up carnival vibes

a thong is an item of clothing worn on full show by many young women daily (have a look around your local secondary, or on a playground- see through leggings don’t count as covering)

its not on full show under leggings, there is a massive difference between someone walking round the shopping centre with no covering on their bottom half and leggings that are very stretched/cheap and you can see the shape of the underwear

changing the subject i have no idea why a thread about fetish at pride has turned into a thread about thongs

ds1 and dd go to pride every year and have a great time, even dd was a bit 😳
at the nappy wearers and ‘pups’

That’s nice. So take it not one of the Pride events that has banned lesbians that don’t include men who identify as lesbians in their dating pool? Several of them have been vocal in their exclusion of such lesbians.

i feel for you. And obviously, while I’m sure many retailers don’t realise it, the ‘progress pride’ flag is homophobic as well as racist. The inclusion of trans ideology onto that flag demonstrates the adoption of ‘identity’ over sex and obviously sexual orientation is about sex.

See also the Pride organisations including the London one that have explicitly excluded lesbians who won’t include ‘lesbians’ with penises in their dating pool.

Yes.

Ever since fetishists took over Pride and made it an unsafe space for lesbians, the normal rules of public decency don't apply.

Honestly! You can’t win on Mumsnet, another 2/3 years and your child could be literally leaving home. If you had posted for advice about a 14 year old going into town (which essentially if you’re living very near London this is the equivalent of) you would be roasted for helicopter parenting. Fuck anyone that says they question your parenting anyway, pious arse!

Generally pretty ugly if they are mens and hairy though. Bleugh.

I mean that isn't OK... and it's also not the same as just wearing a thong

There are posts about it weekly on MN....

Because the thread was actually about thongs and got turned into being about full fetish gear?

Arses on anyone aren't attractive.

Still doesn't mean they need to cover up or are sexual

Did you read the OP? The only thing mentioned (aside from transport difficulties) was men wearing thongs. The OP referred to sexualised behaviour but has yet to clarify what she meant by this despite me asking. I assume there was more to it than just thong wearing but, if there was, she's staying quiet. It's other posters who have inferred she was talking about fetish.

Other posters have reported on other instances of indecent and fetishistic behaviour that have happened at various Pride events as well as the sex offenders closely associated with some Pride organisations.

And the fact that lesbians who don’t include ‘lesbians’ with penises in their dating pool have been explicitly excluded from many Pride events.

And that many gay people feel that Pride is no longer for or about them.

I agree and that is very different from what the OP is objecting to. All public sex should be illegal whoever the people are.

Young girls should go to toy stores if they don’t want to see grown men parading their genitals in public? But who would see the men’s junk if they aren’t there?

If anyone is in any doubt about the exclusion of lesbians from Pride events I suggest you read this thread. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5355905-lesbian-pride-march-saturday-5th-july-women-only-london

The lesbian group was told they weren’t welcome at Pride because they don’t recognise men as lesbians so they organised their own event well out of the way from Pride. Some very unpleasant threats in this thread from trans identifying men to turn up in person to intimidate and shut down the lesbian event.

Absolutely not! I'm gender critical myself and tbh, there was only one trans flag there. I went with my gay and lesbian pals, who are also gender critical, it was a lovely day! I wouldn't go to one that excluded a lesbian pride march

I probably worded that wrong as I don't think objecting to seeing ANYONE in a thong is wrong, I've seen girls at festivals ina thong and no bra with mesh covering over it (regularly) and I haven't seen massive threads damning those festivals as fetishistic and inappropriate.

There is lots of homophobia on this thread. I also think the larger pride events have been coopted by others who are not gay and lesbian and are now not accessible by those that want to celebrate with their families, but that isn't all and it isn't the fault of those gay men and lesbians who still go, it doesn't make them complicit or in anyway at fault.

Fair point

i obviously didn’t remember reading that bit…oops

Plus to be fair ro my short term memory i am also reading a thread on fetish at pride

got the two confused 😳

selkie

got that now, thank you

My kids are with me and my wife at many prides, kink is involved, it's never a problem. Just like topic of sex is never a problem in our house, neither is the topic of kink sex. If they are old enough to ask, they are old enough to get an answer, as detailed as they are willing to keep asking.

In case anyone is under any illusions about the views of some trans identifying men who attend Pride. This user has already advocated for children learning about the ‘fun’ to be had with whips and chains.

While utterly horrifying, it is useful to have it written down. In the future when we have legions of damaged kids, at least we will know what went wrong. Sadly Social Services have a big blind spot in this area so can’t be relied upon to intervene.

Quite right. Anyone supporting LGBTQ only getting a 'pat on the back is going to be mightily disappointed.

Who said this?! I mean, obviously a man who thinks he's a lesbian, but someone on MN?