Do you think there’s 2 tier policing in the uk?

[Watermelonice]

And 2 tier sentencing?

And if so who is driving this?

And for what end goal?

No, I think the funding for policing was decimated from 2010 onwards. There are issues with sentencing but are they related to the lack of prison spaces?

No. But I do think male violence against women isn’t treated with the seriousness it deserves and the consequences it warrants.

No.

I think you meant to ask ChatGPT a question. This is mumsnet, you need a point.

At least two. Have a think about who you can and cannot criticise publicly and that will give you a rough idea

There is and has been for a long time. But not the way people currently day there is. The data clearly shows the imbalance in things like stop and search rates, imprisonment rates, average sentencing etc. Even what mugshots the police choose to release to the media and what the media choose to share with the public.

But most prefer to see their emotions and feelings as facts instead of analysing the data.

Well it seems that there may be, as different groups seem to be treated differently for similar crimes, but I’m not sure if reporting is trustworthy or if I’ve just gone down a twitter rabbit hole.

There is two-tier policing, but not in the way Reformers claim there is.
Black people are policed far more harshly than white people. This is the two-tier policing that is actually backed by data and isn't new, and definitely not something Kier Starmer has initiated.

https://raceequalityfoundation.org.uk/news/black-people-more-than-three-times-as-likely-to-experience-forceful-policing/#:~:text=Notably%2C%20the%20data%20reveals%20a,of%20incidents%20(453%2C862%20cases).

https://www.inquest.org.uk/bame-deaths-in-police-custody

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest/

Of course there is.

A young white woman of stereotypical middle class dress & appearance driving an expensive sports car is very unlikely to be stopped by the police. But a young black man driving the same car…

Who do you think can’t be criticised publicly (compared to an equivalent group that you think can be criticised publicly).

I just think there is astonishingly little policing.

So many crimes seem to just be de-prioritised to the point there’s not even a disincentive to commit them now.

As for ‘two tier’ - no idea, seems like a bit of a meme to be honest.

This all day long. And violence against women isn’t taken seriously at all. So policing is failing people of colour and women and working for the interests of white men. Is that the tiers you meant OP?

It's obvious what you're trying to get at, but the answer is no.

If you're genuinely interested in our justice system look at what has happened to it over the past 15 years and how it's got in this state. I don't know the Tories have the cheek to criticise Labour over law and order

Exactly what @JohnnyLuLus said. This is the well documented two tier policing that has long existed in this country.

It's not an imbalance, it's based on the demographic of who is more likely to commit the crime!

There's definitely "two tier" policing in the way that the Irish travelling communities really aren't "policed" at all unless it's a serious GBH or murder. The police are definitely scared of challenging them.

This. This two tier policing is ongoing.

No.

I think there are different perspectives though, which makes people feel they are being treated differently.

The reality is that if you're a complete tool to the police you can expect to be treated like a tool until you can show you can behave decently. If you behave decently you won't be treated like a tool.

People who act like tools get most upset about their behaviour not being tolerated.

How do I know? I was a police officer for a decade. Met many tools and many more decent people.

Of course there is.

Paedophiles downloading abuse material never receive custodial sentences. Why is that? Well I went down the rabbit hole on that one and our very own Kier Starmer advised the sentencing council that these sex offenders were not a danger to the public.

Post a meme on twitter though and you'll have about 15 coppers at your door.

In the UK we prosecute online offences (people postings crap on social media) thousands of times more than say in Russia. Look it up.

How many white, middle class women commit drug or violent crimes?

@Watermelonice as posters have given excellent examples of two tier policing, perhaps you would like to elaborate on what you meant by it and what you think the "end game" is?

Not sure it's two tier but I can't understand why pedos often don't get jail time. And people who kill or injure people with cars often get very low sentences.

Any sources of evidence to all this that you'd like to share?

OK let’s look at this. I grew up in South London. Pretty much all my friends dabbled in various drugs. The young Black men, ganja. The young white men, anything from that to E. Driving around, stopped all the time with my Asian and Black friends. Never, not once, with my white friends. Now if they were searched, the crime statistics would have all the young Black men down as criminals. None of the white men, who were doing worse.

It’s a vicious circle for young Black men.

And if your rich you often get away with crime