Do you think there’s 2 tier policing in the uk?

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And 2 tier sentencing?

And if so who is driving this?

And for what end goal?

What’s wrong with the op’s question? It is no more or less than many others on here.

There is an underlying feeling of unfairness of policing amongst different groups. It is part of the cause of much of the social unrest.

It should be possible to discuss this as adults without resorting to passive aggression.
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In the 2 tier keir sense? No. It is very obvious to me that the majority demographic of which I am part of is not widely or meaningfully discriminated against.

In the sense that the police are racist, lazy and prone to profiling then yes of course.

I follow some feminists on twitter and whats become apparent is that you can possess an extraordinary amount of child abuse pictures and videos and get a suspended sentence.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pervert-live-streamed-sick-attack-144052078.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADbw4t3CPUTEsQUVZItyKSGd35OBwdalYxg2umEl-bSXGHZ53sbU_iFACitHTiR59bbwF63ZV17U5gPdYnUl1twqP3Nt-m3v7z4inr5OUa5V82sfLFSdQoR7mTttmhly18doQKdf29fWKnGOzao01HzccraxhP7QwfMfgCLYPb-t

Stuff like this hapoens and no custodial sentence. Send a bloody stupid tweet and delete it quickly and you get sent to prison. (I actually think she should have been punished for inciting violence, but a heavy fine would have been sufficient if you are letting rapists go free).

I mean just WITAF

Now sort these responses by political tribe

Social unrest is only going to increase, in ten years time its going to look like Northen Ireland did, nationwide.

But we're not allowed to talk about it.

Just spit it out and say what you mean. Go on, you’ll feel better.

When the sentencing guidelines were amended for IIOC offences to not be punishable with a prison sentence and starting point rehabilitation, I knew we were in trouble as a nation.
The conservatives were in power and knew this had exploded as a crime type but didn’t resource it appropriately.

the likelihood of reoffending is high and escalation to further offending is higher.

we need consequence as well as rehabilitation in my view

There is definitely preferential treatment for some groups - child rape gangs weren’t investigated for fear of appearing racist or disrupting community cohesion, Jewish people are moved on from the hate marches because being Jewish is a provocation but people chant for Hamas, hezbollah and the Houthis with impunity, it’s basically been decriminalised to have images of child sex abuse, trans rights and LGBT groups seem to have the police as their enforcers with a chilling effect on free speech.

the police seem to have their priorities all wrong

Surely the incidence of forceful of arrest is directly correlated to the amount of aggression shown by the individual, and the type of crime they are accused of? Eg violent crimes would surely be more likely to lead to forceful arrest?

And also the demographic of the individuals who are more likely to commit certain crimes would mean that they are more likely to be stopped/searched? Eg males more likely to commit violent crimes and knife crimes.

There is racist policing. Is that what you mean?

I don't think there's two tier policing (unless you're a black man) so much as there is lazy policing. And people need to stop comparing entirely different crimes as their evidence - like for like perpetrated by different demographics otherwise it's nonsense.

I have no idea what the end game is, unless to stir up community unrest and reduce social cohesion but I can’t see why anyone would want that.

I was on Twitter and I saw that a young man had been arrested by 11 police for standing peacefully at a pride march with a sign saying something like Trans = mental illness. Other protests I have seen (on Tv), including pro womens rights, pro Palestine etc seem to be policed very differently, with arguably much more aggression, incitement to violence and threatening behaviour.

I mean treating the same crimes differently depending on the perpetrator.

There are subtle issues with race and policing. One study showed that police officers (I think it was US research) estimated the age of Black children higher than white children of the same age. Seems innocuous. But imagine a child holding a toy gun. A ten year old doing that is a child playing with a toy. A 13 year old could be perceived as a teenager with a real gun. Very very different outcomes. Black children are seen as older, more threatening, more dangerous, more reportable, less empathetic to police officers. And therefore more force is used. Black teenage girls are more likely to be strip searched.

And the antidote to that is increasing trust, increasing multi-disciplinary teams, decreasing racism and misogyny in the police. Not blaming the Black teenagers for not trusting and complying with the police.

Right… so the “2 tier” policing you were implying in your posts is due to an unfairness within the police/justice system.
But the “2 tiers” shown by a PP’s stats is due to the behaviour of the individuals.

When people think white people are being discriminated against, that’s an unfair system. When the stats show that black people are discriminated against, that’s because black people are more violent when arrested and more likely to commit crime?

Is this about grooming gangs? Those girls were failed by the police and every other adult in their lives.

But do you honestly think things would have gone that much differently for them if the offenders had been mostly white? The police don’t care about girls like them. Society doesn’t care about girls like them.

Even a “nice“ girl with money, education and a supportive family is lucky if her rape case makes it to court. Never mind getting a conviction. These girls never stood a chance.

I do agree the state of the police and the wider justice system in this country is appalling though.

If I’ve misunderstood what you’re talking about, please feel free to clarify.

Well yes, but not in the way claimed. There's been a huge disparity in sentencing of ethnic minority people and white people for many years. Similarly with things like stop and search, and arrest rates.

I mean exactly what I said- no underlying agenda or meaning- but it seems you have if you want to spit yours out instead?

I wondered why people who commit the same crimes are treated differently depending on who the perpetrator is.. and what peoples views on this are and the fairness of this.

there absolutely is and is proven all the time when policing demonstrations. it’s also proven without doubt with the length of some sentencing

It is not directly about grooming gangs, but that might be another example. See below for clarity of what prompted the post.

i agree that the police are generally not interested in rape/sex crimes and the incidence of arrest and conviction is pitiful, but if for example the Asian gangs were treated differently to the white grooming gangs in terms of arrests/charges/convictions then yes this would count as another example of possible 2 tier policing.

if both the white and Asian gangs were ignored by the police and the young girls were blamed instead then this is disgraceful but a different issue entirely.

Well it could be behaviour of the individuals on arrest couldn’t it? The article doesn’t state that. You could only claim mistreatment if the police were overly heavy handed with people who were fully compliant and not forceful with others in the same situation.

I agree with this 100%, I would include flashing and stalking in this too.

However, is there a 2 tier conviction rate or sentence rate for these crimes? I’m not sure to be honest. Just a general apathy amongst police, cps, politicians to address them properly.

Yes, I agree.

But heavy handed policing when it comes to certain crimes? Policing the internet? Peaceful protests?

‘Certain’ groups. ‘Certain’ crimes. That’s what I mean. I’ve been explicit, as have others, about what groups we believe are discriminated against, with links in some cases.

What do you mean?