Do you think there’s 2 tier policing in the uk?

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And 2 tier sentencing?

And if so who is driving this?

And for what end goal?

On the freedom to protest point earlier in the thread. Police often prevent or arrest counter protestors especially if they're likely to be a flashpoint, which is often their intention. They separate footy fans, if there's an organised counter protest they separate them. Their whole mission is generally to not have to wade in and fight, so they allow damage to property etc and just film it and then go and knock on people's doors on Monday morning. The way that frequently super aggressive right wing protests are met with greater force is an act of necessity, not politics, because they actively set out to fight the police, and they've got a lot of experience doing it. Then when they get a kicking and arrested they whinge and invoke this mythical group that are able to fight the police with impunity

Plenty of right wing protests go off entirely without incident, it just depends on the extent it's been organised by footy casuals who like fighting

No I don’t.

If any of us had lied to a court and caused innocent people to go to jail and lose their entire savings, we'd have been banged up so quickly our heads would spin.

How long has it been since it was proved the Post Office knowingly did just that ? And how many people have been held accountable in a court of law for it ?

If you can answer those two questions, then the rest of this thread isn't really needed.

No. Get off twitter.

This is from twenty years ago but I knew some teenagers of Caribbean ancestry who were the loveliest, most considerate and well-spoken young men and were stopped by the police everytime they went out in the evening. That sort of treatment would turn less grounded young men into anti-social problems

But how many middle class young women are drug dealers or carry knives? Not many! Whereas young working class boys are far more likely to do both. Thus why they are searched more often.

Which isn't to say they are worse people or they don't have reasons -perhaps the young middle class woman is lucky enough to feel like she can go out and about without needing protection - although see endemic of vawg to see if that is actually true.

The point of stop and searches is to find illegal items. What a waste of time if every 8th search was of a pensioner just to make it "fair."

So black is synonymous with working class for you, even when they are driving an expensive car? And I personally have a problem with your assumption that the working class are more likely to commit a crime than the middle class. It strikes me that the major consumers of cocaine are more likely to be middle class and the dealers are unlikely to be poor

My son is a white working class teen (aged 19)- wears sportswear, Nike & all that. His friends are similar. They’ve had very very little interaction with the police ever (in terms of stop & search etc) except when he was about 13 and was an idiot on a couple of instances (so it was deserved). I have zero doubt had he/they been black they would’ve been targeted throughout the years by police.

I wrote my dissertation on systemic racism in the criminal justice system, admittedly 25 years plus ago. Can’t imagine much has changed.

So yes, black people are more likely to be stopped than white people, they’re more likely to be searched, they’re more likely to be arrested, they’re less likely to be cautioned and more likely to be charged, they’re less likely to get bail, on average they get harsher sentences…..all for comparable crimes.

it has a snowball effect but ultimately yes there’s a two tier criminal justice system which starts with policing.

Well, getting rid of juries wills solve everything. Or so I am told ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m808kml0o