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AIBU to work outside of work hours?

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Greywarden · 05/07/2025 09:51

DH and I both work full-time. We have a toddler DD. I have posted before about how much we are struggling with things like housework, decluttering and generally managing our routines, and have received some great advice which has helped a lot. I'm hoping I might get some helpful advice again.

DH is more senior than I am at work - he is a manager and earns a fair bit more. His role has a lot of stresses involved. However, he has been in the job for a long time and gets a lot of flexibility over his calendar and over what tasks he takes on. He is almost always able to finish work at 5pm and then leave it 'at the door'.

In contrast my role is more middling and is stressful in a different way. My job also represents a significant promotion and change from my previous work. It has been a steep learning curve for me since I started a year and a half ago. My position is actually a training role that involves studying for a uni course alongside my work; my module results get sent to my manager so I always feel under scrutiny, and if I do not pass the course, I will lose my job. There is the prospect of me equalling or surpassing DH's salary in a few years if all goes well but there is a lot of competition for jobs in my field and taking further steps up the career ladder is dependent on showing you've gone above and beyond in your role, leading projects, doing research on top of your regular job etc.

Here's the issue: I often find myself with work to do that I cannot complete within my working hours. What I tend to do is come home shortly after 5, do things with DH and DD, then get down to work again after DD is asleep. Ideally I'd do this maybe 3 nights a week. I generally avoid any work on weekends, although have had to do this a few times when big deadlines have loomed.

My DH hates that I do this. He says that seeing me working in the evenings makes it hard for him to relax; that it stops us from having enough quality time together; that it means that he ends up doing more with DD than I do and he does not get enough breaks (I'm dubious about this one as I still am the one who seems to get up with her most mornings whilst he has a lie-in); and that he is worried about my mental health given how much stress I seem to be under. He keeps saying I should just say no to some of the work I'm being given. He also points out - and he is right on this - that some of the things I'm doing are as a result of me agreeing to be part of extra projects beyond the remit of my job role and that I shouldn't be doing this when I'm already struggling with my workload.

My arguments are that: doing extra work outside of regular hours goes with the territory of my job (literally everyone else on my uni course and everyone else at a similar level to me at work is doing late nights and weekend work); that I'm actually doing less than a lot of my colleagues; that I have to show willing for extra projects if I'm going to have any chance of further promotion; that he was the one who supported me to go for this job in the first place and that I'd warned him from the start about what would be involved. I'd add that his disapproval of me working in the evenings is actually making my stress levels worse because now I'm having to put work aside to hang out / watch TV with him, then wake up very early in the mornings to do the extra work instead. In secret. I'm shattered. I don't socialise with friends or do hobbies anymore because I worry it would be too selfish of me to do this when I'm already taking time away from family life to work.

My DH has suggested that I don't worry about promotions etc and that maybe I'd be happier if I went part-time to have more time with DD, or moved back into a less stressful position. He's probably right: I would be happier. But opportunities like the one I've got now are gold dust in my profession and I don't want to waste it. DH is also a lot older than I am and wants to retire soon - he's full of plans about travelling the world with friends etc and sees it as my turn to pay for a larger proportion of things, and I don't get how we're going to afford the future he wants if I step back in my own career.

Who is being unreasonable? I get so angry when he asks me to do less work, like it feels as though he sees my work as trivial and is accusing me of being inefficient. But I'm not stupid and I'm not inefficient, and my work is important, and I'm working as hard as I can in my working hours (never take a lunch break etc) but it just never seems to be enough. At the same time I worry that I'm being selfish and letting my family down. It feels like I'll be letting them down whatever I do to be honest.

I'll add that I do actually love spending time with my DH and am not trying to use work to avoid him, but understandably I think he suspects this.

YABU to work outside of work hours
YANBU to do this

OP posts:
FinallyHere · 05/07/2025 10:04

Listen careful to your ‘D’H’s objections: it interferes with his ability to relax, you have less quality time together and he ends up doing more childcare.

id seriously suggest your read that again and check in with him carefully.

while you are building your career, it is absolutely right for you to catch up in the evenings.

is he really objecting to supporting you in this way? Why doesn’t he want more 121 time with his child. It’s a great opportunity for him to build his relationship with his daughter and you to invest in your career so you can be equal partners

and yet, he doesn’t seem to want all that. Ask him why and listen really really hard to what he says. And then decide how you want your life to be. Good luck, I really hope he gets it and steps up.

AbzMoz · 05/07/2025 10:05

Congratulations on getting on the competitive course and for being able to so successfully juggle so many components. It sounds like you weighed up the effects and decided it’s best for you and your family’s prospects, but perhaps your DH didn’t quite get the memo?

It is wholly unfair for him to default to ‘wifey goes PT,’ and that seems inconsistent with your aspirations and values. If he is unhappy about stepping up to care for DC then can he arrange an au pair, or granny to visit or whatever? Or drop to PT/flexible working himself? It’s not ‘just a job’ - it’s your confidence, financial security, pension, social circle…

It is also worth clarifying together how long this course will continue, and what the expectation is once it is done? How do you get on the same page for this period (the squeeze) and what do you envision for that next chapter (the rewards)? Good luck OP.

No3392 · 05/07/2025 10:12

A lot of men don't deal very well with their partners/wives being more successful than they are.

Could well be that he's trying to keep you where he feels comfortable.

Don't allow this.

Bjorkdidit · 05/07/2025 10:13

It really is all about him isn't it?

You working means he has to do more with DD even though it sounds like you're still doing plenty.

He wants to retire 'soon' even though you have a toddler DD, and presumably a mortgage etc so will still have 'family life' costs for the next 15 years at least.

He has plans to travel with friends while you're at home paying for everything and juggling home and work responsibilities, although I agree that you stepping back and working part time is unlikely to facilitate this.

He's senior in a career that he's been in a long time so has likely already put the hard graft in to get him into that position. But he's now trying to pull the ladder up so you don't get the same opportunity? Definitely push back on that one and remind him that he's a parent too and it's his turn to do his share.

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:16

I do have to question at times the motivation behind some people having children if they are not only going to work full time, but also have to work/study into evenings aswell.

Just seems ridiculous to me.

TaborlinTheGreat · 05/07/2025 10:16

I think YANBU at all. But then I've been up marking exams since 6:45! It would not remotely occur to do to complain about me doing work at home.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/07/2025 10:16

Congratulations on your promotion and getting on to the competitive course.
As other posters have mentioned I’d be listening carefully to why your husband is objecting rather than just the fact he is objecting.

I find it really frustrating when men default to suggesting their wife goes part time rather than supporting them to flourish in their career. Just because it makes their life less cushy and they have to step up more. It’s misogyny 101 disguised as being helpful- which makes it really insidious imo.

Both me and DH have to do extra work outside of core hours and I have to do additional qualifications too. We both travel for work as well. We just step up and do what’s needed to support each other and keep the family running.

Withdjsns · 05/07/2025 10:17

His objections seem to be about him and not what’s best for you….
He’s not entirely wrong though based on the effect it’s having you; for me the biggest thing here is whether the extra work is going to have an end date - when you finish the uni course will there still be lots of extra? With my job I often have to do extra but it comes in cycles rather than being constant and when I’ve taken extra qualifications I know they’ll also have an end point that isn’t years away

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/07/2025 10:18

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:16

I do have to question at times the motivation behind some people having children if they are not only going to work full time, but also have to work/study into evenings aswell.

Just seems ridiculous to me.

Didn’t take long 🙄

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:19

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/07/2025 10:18

Didn’t take long 🙄

It’s a genuine observation.

converseandjeans · 05/07/2025 10:19

If you are both full time then it would be better to use the extra money for help in the home - cleaner, gardener etc. I agree with others that he claims you need to go part time so he doesn’t have to do stuff at home. It would be easier for him if you took on all the house chores.

TheSandgroper · 05/07/2025 10:24

I am willing you on to surpass your dh in your career.

Sadly, if you do, I would suggest you don’t expect praise and pride from him.

Eldermileniummam · 05/07/2025 10:25

You need to do what's right for you and not just for him and maybe explain it to him in that way

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/07/2025 10:28

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:19

It’s a genuine observation.

No, it’s a snide comment and you know it.
She didn’t ask whether she should have children but you’d decided to offer up that comment anyway.

Bjorkdidit · 05/07/2025 10:32

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:16

I do have to question at times the motivation behind some people having children if they are not only going to work full time, but also have to work/study into evenings aswell.

Just seems ridiculous to me.

Do you include men in that 'observation'?

Or just women like the OP, who's worrying that she's not going to make the most of a great opportunity because her DH is unsupportive and more concerned with maintaining the status quo.

User79853257976 · 05/07/2025 10:33

Well most teachers do it, I’m sure lots of professions do.

JudgeBread · 05/07/2025 10:38

I'd not be working unpaid when I have a family and life at home but you do you.

Greywarden · 05/07/2025 10:38

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:16

I do have to question at times the motivation behind some people having children if they are not only going to work full time, but also have to work/study into evenings aswell.

Just seems ridiculous to me.

I do see where you're coming from a bit. You're not the first person to say this to me.

I think it's fair to point out that I'm doing most of my extra work whilst DD is asleep though. I admit to some weekend time away from her but it is rare. I see plenty of full time working dads off to football matches and heavy drinking sessions most weekends and hardly feel the odd 3 hour essay marathon compares.

I am worried about when DD goes to primary school as would like me or DH to be there for her as much as possible. That's part of why I want to get this stressful stepping up part of my career under my belt now!

OP posts:
Parker231 · 05/07/2025 10:41

LaySW · 05/07/2025 10:16

I do have to question at times the motivation behind some people having children if they are not only going to work full time, but also have to work/study into evenings aswell.

Just seems ridiculous to me.

Studying is a part of many roles if you want to progress. It doesn’t last forever and can have huge career benefits

TheCurious0range · 05/07/2025 10:44

This pattern isn't forever it's while you qualify, I have done further post-grad qualifications at work and those periods are stressful, but finite.
He's being unreasonable

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 05/07/2025 10:45

I would never do extra hours for free, so unless you are building up flexi to take the time back YABU

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 05/07/2025 10:48

I did some extra qualifications at night school when my children were little. My experience is that there was no negative impact on them from me sitting on the sofa surrounded by textbooks while they played with Megabloks. The housework suffered. They didn't!

As you are already aware, you have a husband problem, because he is creating an environment where you feel uncomfortable being seen studying. I think your best prospect is to keep reminding him that the course has an end-date, and that you won't get this opportunity again.

itsgettingweird · 05/07/2025 10:49

How does he have to do more with DD when you take on the extra work when she’s in bed?

I would lay it out. He had his chance to build his career. It’s now your time.

The fact you have a shared child during your time doesn’t mean he gets to hold you back to avoid his share in that duty.

Suggest he goes PT and allows you to could your career up to where he is.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/07/2025 10:50

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 05/07/2025 10:45

I would never do extra hours for free, so unless you are building up flexi to take the time back YABU

This is a really black and white way of looking at it. Some contracts are worded in a way in which there is an expectation that you will work extra hours if needed ( I know mine is) but they offer significant flexibility which makes it worth it.
Undertaking additional qualifications is always going to require extra work but again, there is often a benefit in the long run.
The OP is doing what she needs to do to progress her career now.

ChateauMargaux · 05/07/2025 10:56

How old are you? How old is he? How much maternity leave did you have?

Point out to him that marriage, careers and parenthood have peaks and troughs.. he has put the hours in, in his career and achieved a level where he is comfortable. This is your time to do that.. you can choose when to work - either start early and leave late - doing it all at the office - and he can pick up family life responsibilities, leaving you to spend time with him when you get home.. or you can do what you are doing - getting up in the morning, spending time with your daughter while he sleeps, getting home early, spending time with him and your daughter, and then working later.. set out the options... tell him that you have career goals that are not incompatible with family life, especially as he is at a position in his career where he can be present for your daughter - you are a team, where everyone's needs can be met, if you have an open and honest discussion, respecting that everyone's needs are different.

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