Tax increases imminent

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

Heavy hints that taxes will rise in the next Budget after the recent climb down (as the ‘taxes won’t rise again’ was based on a 5 billion saving in benefits).

I can’t lie, I’m so pissed off about this. I don’t think anyone wants to see someone who is genuinely unable to work to be further penalised, but we all know there are thousands of people who could work but don’t.

this country is going to absolute shit . We pay more and more for less and less.

So your conclusion is: the only part of the population that have to accept a lowering of their standard of living are actually low & middle income tax payers

Benefits should be paid but ONLY to those who have already contributed for say 10 years.

A majority of our taxes go on funding the lazy fucks of this country that don’t want to work.

This is totally inaccurate. Less than 8% of total government spend goes towards universal credit and job seekers allowance. Spend on PIP is less than 2% of the total government spend. And lots of that spend is allocated to people who are working.

People feel taxed highly enough. Spin won’t help with that.

I 100% agree with you but if someone in the highest income bracket says this they would be flamed.

I get that - a lot of people feel highly taxed, especially when public services aren’t delivering. But that’s part of the problem: people are paying enough to feel taxed, but not enough for the system to work effectively.

The truth is, compared to countries with better outcomes, our overall tax burden is still relatively low. We can’t get better services without funding them — and if we don’t fix the gap, we’ll keep feeling squeezed and short-changed.

This simply doesn't work.
I have two adults kids on benefits.
One is disabled and unlikely ever to work.
The other is a recent graduate (1st class Hons) and applying for jobs constantly. He cannot even get interviews. This is for jobs such as cleaning, bar work, hotel work, wait staff as well as anything that comes up in his degree area.
Would you have them both starve?

Reducing higher rate income tax relief on pension contributes will hit private sector workers with a low employer contribution very hard. I’m sure labour are thinking about it, yes.

people with DC schemes are already massively under saving…

It’s not actually low for higher earners. It is for lowers earners. How will you sell higher taxes in to them on to top of COL pressures?

Exactly. The people funding this shit show have had enough.

Ive seen a local NHS trust advertising for a diversity manager on some ridiculous wage. Just this morning the Times reported that the government is advertising 2 roles at over £70k - one to implement thr Supreme Court judgment and one to make legal gender change easier. It’s taken me 4 trips to my GP surgery to get a repeat prescription for my HRT. No more money needs to be spent - waste, inefficiency and pointless jobs need to be removed.

@Dufff23 I completely agree. Gordon Brown managed to kill off final salary pension schemes for the private sector. Those people impacted, who had to move to DC schemes, are just coming up to retirement now. It’s a ticking time bomb. Most people simply don’t have big enough pots to provide a liveable income in retirement and will rely on state hand outs substantially more than the previous generation, where final salary schemes were the norm across both public and private sector.

If any of the welfare bashing cows on here want to swap my epilepsy, narcolepsy, and cronic pain to claim pip I will gladly swap and go to work everyday. Unfortunately the fact I lose my memory after the 20 plus seizures I have a week and also piss my self makes working a bit difficult and shock horror no one wants to employ me. That’s before the pain comes in and the falling asleep with the narcolepsy.

by the way this first stared when I was 25 so just a message to say if any of you making remarks end up disabled, which some of you will and u are unable to work just remember how you are making us to can’t work feel right now

If it's means tested then it would have to be based on the income earned over your career and any other assets through inheritance etc.

I don't see why those who live modest lives and save should be penalised and those who spend the lot rewarded.

"Get a grip on illegal immigration, they should never have abandoned the Rwanda plan."

Of course it's all the fault of the illegal immigrants - and nothing to do with the mis-management and incompetence of the last 14 years, with austerity and cut-backs and generally "not fixing the roof while the sun was shining." Or the handing over of public assets (North Sea oil, council houses, vital utilities, infrastructure and services) to "chums" while handing out tax breaks to the wealthiest. Not to mention the £100bn a year hit to the economy that Brexit has caused.

350 Conservative MPs caused more damage to the UK in the last 14 years than "illegal immigrants" will ever cause - damage that will take decades to repair.

There you go.... the new HRT prescription @ £19 pa will save the patient a fortune... someone else is paying for that.

Everyone wants more and more but other people have to pay for it.

The country wont be saved by scrapping a few diversity managers.... NHS and Civil Service, are in international comparisons, highly efficient, the civil ranked 8th...

I admit it's a hard sell, and why it's unpopular. And it's why Labour are in the position their in. They can't actually implement any labour policies - because they're backed into a corner.

But lets take some examples.
Tax burden for someone on about £30k - about 16%
Tax burden on someone on about £100k - about 36.5%

Sweden's figures for the same brackets would be about 30% and 55% respetively. So they pay considerably more in tax.

However they have better healthcare, they have free childcare and better education.

So it's about the perception of what you "get" for your money. I think in the UK the majority of people have the wrong view of tax. They see it as a punishment, rather than an investment in the society they're a part of.

Nah the middle squeezed will be the only ones paying.

The administration would cost too much and there would be too many exemptions.

I would genuinely be ok about paying more tax if I knew the country was going to function better
specifically
-schools properly funded, teachers properly paid
-functional nhs
-get the bloody trains working

however almost all corners of public services are so dire that it will take decades to significantly improve, at best

I’m not sure what the answer is, but I’d like to see the government tax the wealthy more (I don’t mean the 100k earners I mean the millionaires) and large corporates who are making millions

Right. So because I have a disabled adult child unable to work I should support them for the rest of my life rather than the tax payer? Despite being a tax payer myself?

So I should give up my 75k a year job, and all the tax I pay on that, and support my adult child instead of them getting their benefits and carers. Ok. Oh - except then I will be claiming benefits myself, won't I? And instead of being a net contributor I will be a net taker.

My other adult child will, I am sure, eventually get work - my point is, it's not easy to find these days. And actually yes I am having to subsidise him as the money from his benefits leaves him 30 a month for food and bills after paying rent in his shared flat. And as he still has most of the year's lease left he cannot easily just come home and save money either as we are still liable for the rent.

People are struggling as it is. Working people who don't earn tonnes of money but are being taxed far too heavily because the tax thresholds are so out of touch with the cost of living.

The benefits of women having better access to menopause treatments will save the NHS money in the longer term.

I am happy for my taxes to go towards helping support @Koinophobia's adult children.

I am also happy for my taxes to go towards Child Benefit, even though I have never gad children myself.

Do you live in the UK @WideawakeinSanDiego ?

Do you work or have another means of income? A loving parent would want to help their own children. Not expect the tax payer. Why is everyone so entitled now.
This is the problem, people expect the tax payer to sort out their individual issue. Just WRONG on every level.

ha she is prob on minimum wage and who the hell can support 2 grown kids on a normal wage. Hopefully one son will get himself sorted. As for the disabled son let’s just reopen the workhouses shall we and chuck everyone who can’t work in there

I found myself disabled at the age of 25 it could happen to you and you may be the one having to claim.

This is really what governments are elected for though.

To make tough decisions that substantial sections of the population aren't going to like very much. Otherwise government would just be one long round of drinking tea, going down zipwires and shaking hands.

They made some tough decisions (ones I happen to disagree with btw) then bailed. What sort of a government is that ?

Basically as a government you make tough decisions and funnel money to your preferred demographic as a reward for voting you in, while taxing those that don't vote for you, who generally complain about it like mad.

This is not rocket science, but Labour appear to have got it the wrong way round.