Non-binary teacher?

[Thompson198]

Name change.
I’ve got a 5 year old daughter due to go into year 2 in September. We’ve just been told that the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man who wants to be referred to by ‘Mx’ (pronounced mix) and they/them pronouns.
Quite a few of the parents have already complained and started looking for other places at local schools because of this.
what do you think?
My daughter has SEN and is one of the youngest in her class, I worry how she’s going to be able to keep up with the pronouns and understand this without us having to teach her about gender ideology at her age. My husband is extremely against teaching her gender ideology, especially so young, I’m not the most positive about it either but don’t feel as strongly as him. He also doesn’t want her being at the school in September but they have been very supportive for her so far and I’m concerned it might not be the same elsewhere.
Thoughts? How would you feel if this was your child’s teacher?

No One is demonising men, trans or otherwise. Just pointing out that statistically men represent the higher risk to women so safeguarding measures should apply to them all equally as we can’t tell who the bad acries are. They don’t wear a bad actor badge.

If you were given a bag of maltesers and told that one of them was a chocolate covered poo, would you eat them and hope that you didn’t find the poo?

I appreciate that you haven't descended into unnecessarily insulting language to make your points, but I don't think you're quite grasping what I've said.

I haven't made my own personal stance on this issue known. What I've said repeatedly is that I take time to explain to my children that other people have different views on this. That is an irrefutable fact.

For every person who is staunchly gender critical, there will be someone who isn't. Crying about it on the internet isn't going to change that. Forcing SEN children into new environments so they don't have to use Mx or they/them isn't going to change that. It just is. Trans people just are. Nonbinary people just are. In the same way that people are religious whether I believe in their gods or not.

So I do not and have not taught my children anything about sex versus gender. What I HAVE taught them is that people are different and hold different views. And as long as their choices and beliefs don't do harm to us, or cause danger for us, then we can accept their beliefs and views and get on with our lives.

My sixteen-year-old daughter has had a friend since they were in nursery. This friend is a biological girl. One day a few years ago, she decided that she didn't quite feel like a girl and decided to go from 'she' to 'they' and picked an androgenous nickname.

It didn't harm me, my daughter, or anyone else to use 'they' and call them their nickname. It literally had no impact on us. We talked about how some people believe that gender can be changed or more fluid than other people believe. How some people believe that biological sex and gender can be and are different things.

I truly do not believe that there are catastrophic consequences in teaching children that people can have different belief systems.

Predators will use what ever pretence they can in order to access victims. That’s the whole point. He pretended to be a safe parent.

Oh, not this old chestnut. Of course predatory men do all kinds of things to access their victims.

H.H Holmes, the famous serial killer, bought a hotel and spent hours rennovating it, turning it into a facility that made it easier for him to source and dispose of victims (it's gruesome, so I won't go into detail).

Ted Bundy pretended to have a broken arm to lure in vulnerable women who were showing him kindness by helping him out (playing on female socialization).

Predators have spent years training as priests so they can access vulnerable children.

But, sure, no man would say he's a woman to gain access to vulnerable females. That's just a bridge too far.

I would welcome this honestly, there are many kids who don't have anyone in their lives that is trans/non-binary, this gives them the opportunity to get to know somebody with this identity. I'm sure the teacher won't mind kids misgendering or forgetting, that happens all day with teachers regardless of gender lol. It's hardly a huge onerous thing for a little one to learn this is so and so, this is how they prefer to be referred to. It's basic respect.

It sadly doesn't surprise me that some parents are up in arms about this to the extent of trying to change schools, I feel sorry for their kids tbh. But it's their choice. I've come across parents who are angry their nursery age daughter has a male key worker, parents who are unhappy that their kid's primary teacher wears a hijab, unfortunately for them you don't get to stipulate the identity of the people caring for or teaching your child. You can however choose to remove them and send them elsewhere.

Personally I would think it's great and a sign of a lovely, welcoming and inclusive school.

You might not be, but there are plenty of people on this thread and in the world that are demonising trans people. Less so men in general. I literally cannot fathom the amount of hate trans people get being directed at men, despite them being far more common and far more likely to cause women harm - in public or in private. The demonisation therefore has nothing to do with a worry about womens safety and everything to do with the fact transwomen are 'different'.

It's not an old chestnut. It's a fact. Men have absolutely no need to pretend to be something they aren't to access a victim. What's the gain in being a transwoman to do it?

Thank you.

@Thompson198 if you're still around, thought you'd like to know that a 'new 'non-binary' teacher for yr 6' thread is on 'X' (midday yesterday). Could be your school. Viewed 445k times and Sharron Davies is commenting...

Becausee it's transwomen who are the ones pushing to be allowed into spaces where females are at their most vulnerable. It's that simple.

They’re aren’t “different”
They men like any other men.

The issue is that we won’t play along that they’re “different” and give them “different” guidelines and rules to at we do all other men.

Will he use the men's toilet?

Exactly. No dressing up required.

For every person who is staunchly gender critical, there will be someone who isn't.

You’re wrong. The silent majority of thinking people are gender critical.

But they do and always have done throughout history. You honestly think no pervy man would ever say they're a woman so they can go and watch women undress? You're delusional.

I mean, there's plenty of examples of them actually doing just that, but sure, stick your head in the sand.

Any man who thinks he’s above safeguarding procedures and policies is a predator.

The end.

I’m very sorry for your daughter.

I don’t think anyone here said that men need to pretend to be a woman to gain access to a victim but giving some men access to potential victims because they say they are women is not a great idea do you think?

I mean we can’t say it doesn’t happen either. There are men like Isla Bryson and the Scottish butcher (Andrew George?) who pretended to be a woman and kidnapped a girl and raped her for a couple of days before she escaped.

Men have always got themselves into positions to have access to children - scouts, teachers, priests. They will literally pursue a career that puts them alone with children.
Ridiculous not to recognise that.

No she doesn't.

She says they've been told the teacher is a non-binary man. Who called the teacher a man?

Yes, but somehow the very easiest way to access victims of all, simply declaring you identify as a woman, is a line they won't cross. Baffling, isn't it?

It shouldn’t even feature in the work place. I wouldn’t be entertaining it. When is this absolute madness going to end?!

I'd be writing to the Head, LA, and school governors.

Mum, what does gender neutral mean? What's gender?

What effort do you think men need to make to be deemed transgender? If you think they need to anything more than say 'I'm a woman' you are being extremely transphobic.

(And men can't become female, however much effort they put in).

About THEIR sex. PHSE is not a personal evaluation of the teacher. It's talking to the children about the changes coming to their bodies.

It is never appropriate to put the teacher at the forefront of that discussion and I've never known anyone to do it. The nearest I've ever seen a teacher come to that is when they are visibly pregnant and the children ask questions about the baby. Even then, there will be no discussion about the hows, whens etc of how that particular baby got into that particular body.