Non-binary teacher?

[Thompson198]

Name change.
I’ve got a 5 year old daughter due to go into year 2 in September. We’ve just been told that the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man who wants to be referred to by ‘Mx’ (pronounced mix) and they/them pronouns.
Quite a few of the parents have already complained and started looking for other places at local schools because of this.
what do you think?
My daughter has SEN and is one of the youngest in her class, I worry how she’s going to be able to keep up with the pronouns and understand this without us having to teach her about gender ideology at her age. My husband is extremely against teaching her gender ideology, especially so young, I’m not the most positive about it either but don’t feel as strongly as him. He also doesn’t want her being at the school in September but they have been very supportive for her so far and I’m concerned it might not be the same elsewhere.
Thoughts? How would you feel if this was your child’s teacher?

For anyone who wants to know what should be considered for evaluating risk of this sub group of males to show that they have a risk level not less than any other male in the UK of committing sex crime, have a read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK. But for you TimeFliesin2046

Firstly, This was a question answered earlier this year:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ
Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was

48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.

And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.

I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this the data from a FOI in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was

40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime, regardless of gender identity or stage of transition.

Yeah, being against children being taught harmful concepts is so ‘pearl clutching’.

In fact, accusations of ‘pearl clutching’ is actually becoming a euphemism for supporting safeguarding so I’ll take that. 😁

When we suggest that it’s not ok for teachers to introduce an ideology that can end in permanent and serious harm to vulnerable young people that’s a good thing. It starts with pronouns and ends up with vulnerable young men like Ritchie Herron waking up from his penis inversion operation and being hit like a ton of bricks with the realisation that it was the wrong decision but he is now permanently harmed.

Lets not support that eh?

Ah yes, good old locks and keys, alarms, ring doorbells, no burglaries now. Let’s all do away with them!

What is it you were saying about comprehension?

Murder laws aren't the same as single sex spaces are they.

Murder is the crime. Sexual Assault is the crime.

Single sex spaces are a pointless attempt to reduce that crime. Guns being prohibited would be a similar comparison to single sex spaces.

Yes, he’s making an equally impossible claim - that he doesn’t have a sex.

That is impossible btw.

Have you asked anyone else for advice apart from the transphobic echo chamber that Mumsnet?

Exactly. I’d rather be a pearl clutcher than an idiot (and a liar).

Are you aware that titles and pronouns are completely different things?

Your thinking seems confused.
Yes, gender is a social construct. That's not something one has to 'believe'. 'some people feel as though they were born into the wrong gender' is inaccurate; we aren't born into a gender, we're born as one sex or the other.

We can all identify in many ways. I'm a wife, a mother, a sibling, a friend, a neighbour and many more. Fundamentally what we all are is human and that's how I look at it, this person is identifying as a person which is as true as anything else.

Burglars break locks. Men violate women's spaces. Neither are infallible or a protection. Crimes can and do occur outside of these spaces.

Do you treat men with the same disdain as transwomen? Because in volume terms, you are far more likely to encounter one that will cause you harm.

Absolutely! In fact I’m going to dig out my rather nice pearls and wear them more often. It could be a new symbol of people who support child safeguarding 😁

Yes, are you aware this thread was about calling a teacher Mx. Which is a title.

Respecting that someone believes in God is not the same as behaving as though you subscribe to their belief.
An equivalent to a teacher wishing to be referred to as they/them would be a teacher insisting on the class starting every morning with a prayer of thanks to God/Allah/whoever.

They are safeguarding measures. I can’t cope with the lack of understanding of a basic concept.

And I can't cope with the desire to marginalise other people, so we're both at a loss.

Well, yes, they do, but we don't need to make it easier for them to occur more often, and in places where women are extra vulnerable, such as changing rooms and shelters, do we?

Just because we can't stop crimes from happening at all, does not mean we shouldn't try where we can.

Oh, and yes, we also want to keep regular men out of women's single-sex spaces. We aren't discriminating against transwomen, we're treating them the same as any other male.

My DS is autistic and gender-non conforming (in the broadest sense of having interests and behaviours which are typically female-associated) and I have definitely had concerns about how the topic of gender identity is introduced and discussed in school. But making them aware that trans people exist, that some people change how they identify, that people have different pronouns etc (basically all the things you'd need to understand to recognise and give respect to existence of trans people in society) then that really shouldn't be an issue.

The fact that every human in existence has a sex is not the same as our relationships within society.

You presumably are a wife, mother etc. He is not an unsexed person - he is man but he is claiming not to be. That is completely different.

Do you think we're marginalising men because we say they can't come in women's spaces? Or is it just men with trans identities we're marginalising?

It's a person. Who is going to teach the children. Let them be judged/rated/whatever on their teaching.
Teacher should probably just choose a name they want to be called though... The 'Mix' thing is a little bit silly imho.

When do you see non binary people on the street or knocking on doors canvassing others to become non binary? Unlike religion in which this happens every day. Religion is absolutely pushed in this country. My daughters school ran a church group for kids at lunchtime, where they could collect stickers for attending and swap for prizes when they had enough. Imagine that was a trans or non binary group. People would implode.

Exclusion is necessary sometimes. Single sex spaces exist for a reason.

So if your DS takes the lessons on trans to heart and suddenly decides (or is told by an activist teacher) that he was born in the wrong body and removing his penis to become a girl is the solution to all his difficulties, and if you don’t immediately agree you must be excommunicated, how would you feel?

This is what has happened to lots of kids. At least two mentioned in this thread.

And it's funny how we weren't accused of marginalising men because we didn't want them in the women's facilities until very recently, isn't it?