Non-binary teacher?

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Name change.
I’ve got a 5 year old daughter due to go into year 2 in September. We’ve just been told that the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man who wants to be referred to by ‘Mx’ (pronounced mix) and they/them pronouns.
Quite a few of the parents have already complained and started looking for other places at local schools because of this.
what do you think?
My daughter has SEN and is one of the youngest in her class, I worry how she’s going to be able to keep up with the pronouns and understand this without us having to teach her about gender ideology at her age. My husband is extremely against teaching her gender ideology, especially so young, I’m not the most positive about it either but don’t feel as strongly as him. He also doesn’t want her being at the school in September but they have been very supportive for her so far and I’m concerned it might not be the same elsewhere.
Thoughts? How would you feel if this was your child’s teacher?

So you spend your whole life only frequenting spaces where men aren't allowed? That must be tricky.

It really is twisting it to say a 19 year old yelling that is a boy innocently asking a question. Makes you wonder why people do that, or maybe it doesn't.

Excellent post of 12.34, @Mumble12

The nonbinary people I have known in professional settings have generally been excellent at their jobs, and thrilled to have landed in relatively nondiscriminatory workplaces.

This teacher could well feel the same way, and be determined to excel. I cannot see that wanting to be called Mx Smith negates this, and I think children can easily cope if their parents (when asked) explain in simple language that Ms Smith doesn’t want the children to focus on their sex as an identifying feature.

Why do we, and why have we always had, single-sex facilities for men and women? Because we recognise the risk men pose to women in vulnerable situations.

Why do we do DBS checks on people who work with kids? Because we recognize that some people will look to work in these roles because they have easy access to kids.

We try to stop bad things from happening before they do, and it was never controversial until men started identifying as women and non-men.

Well we don't know do we because most of the people on this thread wouldn't let that teacher over the threshold.

I imagine teaching 5 year olds, there will be an understanding that non malicious slip ups will be made. In fact if you're non binary I imagine you are more than used to that. My DDs head of year got married last year, the kids keep calling her Miss X, instead of Mrs Y. She corrects them every time (they tell me), so would this really be different/more offensive?

Not my whole life, no, but certain situations, yes, for example, if I am taking my clothes off.

Luckily society as a whole has already developed a consensus on when such single sex environments are necessary, which is literally why they exist.

Presumably the judge saw evidence that you didn't.

Ah yes, the good old single sex spaces which have reduced the rate of male violence against women to 0.

You presume a lot.

Good old murder laws that have reduced the murder rate to zero. What a facile argument. We can only ever reduce crime, not eradicate it.

So what, men are still being violent so let's just welcome them into our toilets and changing rooms? Roll out the red carpet? If we can't beat them, invite them to join us as we take our pants off?

Except we’ve all seen the allowances made for trans identifying men o er the last few years.

The great number of them who’ve had backgrounds of violence towards women, of involvement with paedophiles, of being DV perpetrators, of having really vile anti-woman stances yet they still remain in positions of relative authority.

Trans crime is regularly passed as women’s crime, or it’s ignored altogether.

We know that cross dressing is a risk factor in VAWG, we also know that Stonewall changed the trans umbrella to include cross dressers, we know that the trans population in prison are far more likely to be in for sexual
viol against women, so on the face of it we know full well that this is a men’s rights movement, that benefits men and puts women and children at a disadvantage, but we’re told time and time again that it’s fiiine, no problems, TW are as safe as women etc etc, but WE KNOW IT’S NOT TRUE!

So we are wary in the same way as we’re wary of men because we don’t know whose good and who might rape us, or even kill us.

You are absolutely right. Non-binary identities are indeed transgender.

And no male person in the UK with a transgender identity have a risk profile for application of safeguarding principles that is lower risk than any other male people.

If you wish, I think I have a more recent FOI answer as well. It shows pretty much the same pattern.

Because fucking men, including those dressed as women, are still so keen on violating our spaces!

The wankers.

But that’s not quite the case us it? You do know but don’t want to say it.

Reading your posts, I totally get where you are coming from and I didn’t want to sound critical. I think it’s because I have been looking into this for a while and understand the harm inherent in gender ideology, especially to children when you start undermining the fundamental facts of biological sex and that we are all either male or female.

From a child’s point of view, they are warned against the dangers of strange men etc but if you tell them that there is a category of male people that aren’t men, what do they do with that?

We’re not going to warn them against the obvious danger of going off with a non binary person as that hasn’t been proven yet. Or if they are lost that it’s ok to ask a woman with children or non binary man to help them?

As ‘non binary’ is part of trans ideology, that introduces the utterly harmful concept that a child could be in the ‘wrong body’ if they don’t like the things that match the stereotypes for their sex. As PPs on this thread are pointing out, especially to ND or children with autism, that can set them on a path to serious harm.

Undermining the most basic of building blocks in a child’s understanding if the world is cruel.m and can have catastrophic consequences.

Yes please. I think it was your username I was trying to remember because I know you always have the stats to hand, which I'm terrible with!

As do I, but it still stands that in this case no compelling evidence was presented that the person having Asperger's caused them to shout out in this way. In my experience unfiltered shouting out in this way isn't a typical presentation of people with Asperger's (or ASD that might previously have been considered to be Asperger's).

Clearly, in this context this was seen as passing the threshold of a hate crime in the same way that shouting "Are you queer?" in a similar context might have been.

A long time ago, I had teachers that were hard core left wing ideologues, it was why teaching gets labeled as left wing.

Now it would be against the teaching standards to do such a thing.

This is really a puerile comment.

No law is expected to provide 100% protection. Can you name one that is?

All safeguarding measures can do is everything that can be done reasonably to minimise the risk to those they are intended to protect. It seems from your comments that you haven't really considered your arguments very deeply.

And I know people who absolutey do behave that way due to their autism, quite memorably once when they kept asking a large man why he was so fat. Mortifying, but he genuinely couldn't help it.

I don't disagree about the title, it's the 'they/them' pronouns that are the problem.

Absolutely this.

We should be teaching children what men and women are and how to clearly identify which is which.

I expect most of us have told our children that if they get lost they should go and find a woman and ask for help. I don't want them to approach a man in a dress because I have told them that a man in a dress is a woman.

Oh dear god.

This is your stance now? I won’t be bothering to interact with you any more. Your complete disregard for women’s safety is too disturbing to even attempt a conversation

This birngs to mind the poor little girl who was abducted in Scotland because she got into a car with a man presenting as a woman.

Yep, really shown their true colours with that one.