Non-binary teacher?

[Thompson198]

Name change.
I’ve got a 5 year old daughter due to go into year 2 in September. We’ve just been told that the teacher for next year is a non-binary/‘non-gender-conforming’ man who wants to be referred to by ‘Mx’ (pronounced mix) and they/them pronouns.
Quite a few of the parents have already complained and started looking for other places at local schools because of this.
what do you think?
My daughter has SEN and is one of the youngest in her class, I worry how she’s going to be able to keep up with the pronouns and understand this without us having to teach her about gender ideology at her age. My husband is extremely against teaching her gender ideology, especially so young, I’m not the most positive about it either but don’t feel as strongly as him. He also doesn’t want her being at the school in September but they have been very supportive for her so far and I’m concerned it might not be the same elsewhere.
Thoughts? How would you feel if this was your child’s teacher?

Oh dear.

I really thought you were going to try and debate this with facts and logic.

But, nah. It always boils down to name calling and misogyny

That's literally how safeguarding works. And of course, the difference is, there is tons of evidence that males (however they identify) are the biggest risk to women and children. Doesn't mean every member of that group is a wrong'un but since we don't know which ones are, we have to act accordingly and put safety measures in place.

It's not remotely like a racist using their prejudice (not backed up by any data or evidence) to discriminate. But, I think you know that.

To stimulate your mind...

child A - why are you painting a tree now?

child B - because the teacher said we had to

Child A - why did they say that ?
OR
why did he say that ?

My interest would be how said teacher would respond to this conversation.

Would it be? Ignore or " come on now child B you know I am they so you must use that.

A man can be a Reverend whether I believe in religion or not.

A man can’t be a non-man, no matter what I or anyone else believes.

This. ^^

Particularly this:

This would not be an opportunity to accept that people are different its about telling children that if you don't fit a rigid set of stereotypes then you're either a different sex to what you really are or have no sex at all.

This cannot be said often enough.

This. Madness

But why even mention trans people. This person isn't one. It's as relevant as telling me terrorists are a threat.

The difference between you and I is that I judge people based on their own behaviour, not what a cohort have done. 34% of men self report as having committed a sexual crime (the reality is likely much higher), does this preclude all men from having jobs as teachers? Of course not.

@Sabire9 and, ironically, you're being bigoted in your views about "Terfs'. I wonder if people actually know what the word bigoted actually means these days.

Call a spade a spade.

What do you call it when your starting point in assessing whether you think someone's worthy of acceptance and respect is what demographic they belong to?

Out of interest - how do you treat transgender people that you know socially or work with?

Or perhaps you've never known a transgender person, which is maybe why all they are to you is an 'issue' you can engage in feminist virtue signalling about.

Because we had moved on to discussing why it is a bad thing to tell children that men can be women, discussions evolve.

A core part of safeguarding is looking at risk factors and a part of that is absolutely looking at demographics that might pose more of a risk for whatever reason. It's basic stuff.

I've never said men, or non-binary or trans people can't, or shouldn't, be teachers. Not once.

Educate yourself

Which is fine, if that's your choice. The point is, you don't have to, it's perfectly acceptable not to, and it's also perfectly acceptable not to pretend non binary is a real thing.

“Call a spade a spade”

The lack of self awareness 😂😂😂😂

Ok

The teacher is a man.

Reverend is a job title. It is reflective of a qualification just like the term Doctor.

Whether you call Rev Smith reverend or not won’t make any difference to the fact that he has that title due to his qualifications. That means it is based on material reality.

He probably couldn’t care less if you called him ‘Mr’. And you are not likely to be shamed or disciplined for calling him Mr.

The same cannot be said for someone with a gender identity who demands language changes to suit their philosophical belief, one which is not based on material reality at all.

‘Call a spade a spade’. From a TRA?! Is that supposed to be ironic 😂.

Which was it though? Did your child ask "is x a boy now?" Or "does x identify as being a boy"?

I’m autistic, and whilst autistic people can be very accepting of differences and wrong sex pronouns, it’s very important to make sure that things are rooted in fact.

Autistic people are often very trusting and believe what they’re told, so being honest is vitally important or it can lead to real problems. It’s common for autistic girls to be told they are boys, and often they fully believe that, not realising that at a young age they are being allowed to make choices that may leave them breastless and sterile, without having full knowledge of those consequences.

Taking advantage of the trusting nature and apparent ability to take on new concepts doesnt mean that it should happen.

This whole ideology will leave many sterilised autistic young women behind. Whether this is deliberate or not I don’t know, but the wholesale acceptance of gender and trans by schools, drs, CAMHS, autism charities etc is really shocking. Despite knowing what they know about autism they’re still advocating for something that does real harm to vulnerable children, about half of whom are autistic, the remainder having backgrounds of neglect, abuse, and/or mental illness.

There is something rotten at the very core of it all.

That's true of some people with SEN but there was clearly no compelling evidence presented in this case that the individual's SEN were a mitigation in this case.

And not withstanding SEN impacting a person's social communication skills, shouting "Is it a boy or is it a girl?" repeatedly at someone is NOT an innocent question, come on.

What this has to do with a school informing the school community that the new teach has preferred pronouns I don't know. Come back to us if it turns out that a 5 year old asking the teacher "are you a boy or a girl?" results in them being charged with a hate crime, until then I'll assume that the teacher will be able to deal with it the same way that other teachers manage to deal with slightly tricky personal questions from young children.

No, I personally don't believe you can change your sex (nor have I said such) - I hope that clarifies.

What I do believe is that someone else's choice to think this, has no bearing on me. It doesn't change who I am, or what I believe to be right. I approach it in the same way as I do any other belief I don't agree with. I make no comment and live my life in the way I believe is right. This visceral need people have to invalidate other people genuinely baffles me. And that's not me using faux ignorance, I genuinely do not understand it.

Regardless of either of our opinions on trans issues, this teacher isn't purporting to have changed his sex anyway, so this discussion is entirely irrelevant to the conversation.

I know lots of SEN people with no filter who will keep shouting things out, often embarrassing things, and especially if they're asking a question that doesn't get answered, so yes, it's perfectly possible it was totally innocent, and even if it wasn't, he should never have been prosecuted for shouting is it a boy or a girl. If someone said that to me, I would not give two shits. It's someone abusing their power because they can.

Oh crap. Yes.

You're missing the rather crucial point that terrorism is very rare, whereas male violence against women and children is very common.

And also the fact that the fact it's not our job to be suspicious of Muslims in case they might be terrorists, because that's what MI5 is for. So we can all stop worrying about Muslims because the likelihood of any of us being caught up in a terrorist attack carried out by Muslims is vanishingly small and the people most likely to carry out such an attack are probably already under surveillance.

Why is it your job to police potential violence from transwomen but not terrorists? Both would be police matters.

It's not my job to police it, it is my right to be protected against it.

We can't provide safe spaces where no terrorists are allowed because we can't tell who is a terrorist and who isn't.

We can provide safe spaces where no men are allowed because we can tell who is a man. Trans women are men, whether they like it or not.

Safeguard

Not police