I hate anti-vaxxers

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How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

Of course they are. If some numpty doesn't get their child vaccinated, there's a bigger chance that child can pass on devastating illness to another child.

What about people like me who have suffered an adverse reaction to a previous (psychotropic) medication, and are now injured permanently with a movement disorder .. so I am now sensitive to medication side effects more?

Would that be deemed to be an anti vaxxer? I'm not anti medication per se, just as a result of what happened to me previously. I actually get very anxious at taking any new drugs 😞

100% this

Well I like smoking! It helps me sleep and stops me gaining weight. My granny smoked twenty a day and lived until 90.
Therefore I’m going to smoke whenever i want as my health choices are my business. If some gets cancer though passive smoking so be it, it my choice and my business

Obviously that’s parody but it’s the same argument anti-vaxers use

It's the same mindset as that Just Stop Oil idiot who fell off his bike and broke his leg badly. He was in hospital ranting about the vegan option he was offered . The photo he took showed him in an immaculate room, surrounded by tubes and machines and medical equipment that simply wouldn't exist without oil and the ability to make those products from it or using power produced by it . Absolute twats

Could I respectfully ask what it is about the measles vaccine you object to, medically. How did you balance the wider societal good with individual autonomy?

"Feelies"??? Are you 15. Fuck's sake.
Stop getting your information from TikTok!!

That’s so depressingly selfish. I’m glad that so many other people are happy to think of you and your kids when they take the time to understand the value of herd immunity in protecting you from diseases that kept life expectancy way down in the past.

I don’t hate anti-vaxxers, but I wish they made decisions based on actual science, not cherry picked information and vibes.

In real life people are far too polite to respond when presented with Kate who informs them that Atticus and Hugo aren't vaccinated because they don't believe in putting chemicals in their bodies etc etc.

But inside they are thinking "you absolutely selfish and moronic melon".

DS caught measles when he was 10 months. Two months too young for the vaccine. Purely because of selfish imbeciles who only put themselves first.

I am actually sickened by this post. You should be so ashamed of your contemptible selfishness and ignorance.

The OP has clearly explained why people's choices are her concern. There is a measles epidemic due to people's refusal of the vaccine and her small child is at risk. If you think people's choice to refuse a vaccine trumps their social responsibility, then why not explain your thinking as to why? Just parroting soundbites that don't even apply in this context adds nothing to an important discussion. We need to understand people's fears in order to address or allay them so vaccine programs can continue to protect us.

It is our responsibility to have our children vaccinated to protect people like yourself. No-one here is saying that absolutely everyone should be vaccinated. They are saying that everyone who can be should be vaccinated.

I also caught measles badly as a kid which left me partially deaf. But I WAS VACCINATED. People seem to forget it doesn't work on everyone. So by that theory if Id have passed on measles to someone else as a kid half the people on here would be baying for my parents blood and calling them all-sorts of names

My DD has had 4 doses of MMR now as each time she's been pregnant she shows no immunity to rubella in the blood tests so they jab her again after the birth.

See my post 7.54

I know a man who doesn’t speak to his parents. They believed the autism-MMR ‘link’. He caught mumps, which caused orchitis, and now he and his partner are having to go through fertility treatment as it effected his fertility. He blames them entirely, says their stupid decisions have ruined his whole future.

I imagine that many of the people who claim to be anti vaccinations have benefited from being vaccinated as a child. They are now choosing to not pass on disease-preventing, potentially lifesaving, free privilege to their own children.
They also do not seem to be able to understand/cognitively process that through not vaccinating, they are sabotaging the very system (herd immunity) that has given them the sense that it is safe to leave their children unvaccinated. In the risk/benefit evaluation they are not confronted with the raw, stark reality and consequences of outbreaks of disease as parents were prior to the development of preventative measures.

Yes. Unfortunately there is a minority of people who just cannot build up or gain immunity from certain diseases. Again, it is up to responsible parents to vaccinate their children to create the herd immunity to protect the more vulnerable members of society like yourself.

They might not be poorly educated, but they are dim.

Is that "never" - say on a scale of 1 - 10, where 10 is never under any circumstances would you vaccinate and 1 is absolutely, I would always vaccinate no matter what - what number would you give yourself on that scale?

Until your baby catches measles and dies because someone else's decision to risk their own kids' lives has real world consequences for other children too.

Herd immunity is so important.

DC have had all their major childhood vaccinations.

I was always very pro-vax, then got myocarditis (it did happen to a lot of women) and a clotting disorder from a Covid Vaccine. Not an anti-vaxxer, I got it willingly. Devastating at a personal level (heart failure, massive amounts of treatment and it doesn't get better). Also very sad that Covid vaccines and the suppression of side effects gave anti-vaxxers ammo to use against vaccinations for severe childhood disease.

Many doctors and nurses I know, refuse to get vaccinated or choose only have some vaccinations, for one reason or another. If you go to your GP surgery or Hospital, do you actively ask their vaccination status before they treat you?

You cannot say a medical consultant is ignorant or uneducated in this field. Quite the contrary.

btw I and my children have had all our vaccinations

The difference is that in London it is on the automatic childhood vaccine register. There may be other cities that also do this. In the rest of the U.K. you have to request it and prove your child’s eligibility (parent born in a country on the high prevalence list for example). If not you have to pay for it. I know because when my eldest child reached 14 and still hadn’t received it I enquired and was told it wasn’t offered to everyone anymore. I wanted my child to have it so was willing to pay, then I was told that we were eligible for it free of charge based on where my husband was born.

Er how did they get Covid three times if they had immunity?

It’s certainly not a blame thing. It’s a natural consequence of globalisation. We have to get yellow fever vaccines before visiting certain countries, so it’s not unreasonable to require MMR to come here.