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Rachel Reeves crying in PM questions

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AnotherBrickIn · 02/07/2025 12:39

She’s visibly crying

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Madcatdudette · 02/07/2025 17:43

Hilarious thread. All those people ‘disgusted’ about people’s opinions on Reeves whilst they feel no shame to talk shit about other MPs.🤣

JustASmallBear · 02/07/2025 17:44

I think a lot of our best MPs were lost in the last 10 years from all the ruckus and very few sensible ones are left.

Totally agree with this. If the ones in charge are the best, something has gone very wrong. I say that about the present government and the last.

TerroristToddler · 02/07/2025 17:44

Yeahno · 02/07/2025 17:37

I'd be crying too if I were in her shoes. She can't fix anything without tough decisions. The people want miracles but at the same time "dont touch my WFA", "dont touch my benefits", "you want to kill the poor and disabled, no reform", " don't raise my taxes", "give me pay rise" spend more on NHS, Police, education , foreign aid, asylum seekers and on and on. Slow death for the UK it is then.

I do agree with this.

This is the problem though - we really need a party to make tough choices, and that means acknowledging there will be some bad press and some folks who feel they've 'lost' as a result. But it needs to be done for long-term protection of the system and economic viability for the country. But Starmer and Reeves couldn't achieve it even if they really really tried because the Labour back benchers have shown they'll simply not support it. Nothing can change now. Equally, no party ever does anything meaningful because the papers immediately go nuts and slam them for trying anything (mainly using hyperbole headlines suggesting the government hates disabled people, or is killing off elderly as a political and economic strategy by withdrawing WFA 🙄), and the party promptly does a U-turn out of fear of losing voters. It's a farce.

FWIW I don't like seeing anyone cry, so do have sympathy on a human level. But agree with PP that Reeves and Labour's plans have been terrible from the off and hasn't shown an ounce of the 'pro growth' mentality they won the election on.

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 17:44

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 16:36

So disabled people are probably the smallest percentage. The problem is disabled people and pensioners are the only ones who have no choice. Single parents and low wage earners can change their lives if they chose to do so pensioners and disabled people who is who the government came for are the most vulnerable as they cant.

Single parents can’t replicate dual incomes on a whim.

Low wage earners likely earn low wages for a reason, if they could suddenly hop into £50k a year careers, don’t you think they would.

we have a system that supports people in need thankfully, people need to stop trying to trump one need with another and accept that we can help everyone.

Zonder · 02/07/2025 17:45

uncomfortablydumb60 · 02/07/2025 17:11

I’d be crying to if I’d fucked up the country so badly She is so out of her depth and lacks basic common sense
And as for her party’s constant U turning
They are an embarrassment to the UK

Too late for this government to be the source of embarrassment for the UK! That ship sailed long ago with Johnson and Truss.

SummerFrog25 · 02/07/2025 17:45

FreeRider · 02/07/2025 17:15

I'm the same @SummerFrog25 ... I cry when I'm really really fucking livid, so I've cried at work a few times (different jobs, thank fuck).

I'm also the world ugliest crier...I go bright red, which takes AGES to go away, so everyone can tell for a long time afterwards...

Ditto! At least we're not alone I suppose...

TeenagersAngst · 02/07/2025 17:46

JustASmallBear · 02/07/2025 17:44

I think a lot of our best MPs were lost in the last 10 years from all the ruckus and very few sensible ones are left.

Totally agree with this. If the ones in charge are the best, something has gone very wrong. I say that about the present government and the last.

Second this. I saw some Labour MP being interviewed on TV after the vote, trying to talk up the fag ends of the bill that were left over after all the concessions and it was embarrassing to listen to. He could barely string a sentence together. Made me feel really depressed.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 17:47

PersephoneSeethes · 02/07/2025 17:25

Um, I thought people on Mumsnet were supposed to be the smartest women in society. What happened in 2008? The greatest economic crash since the Great Depression. Egged on by Gordon Brown and the American's.

Any government would have had to borrow that much money to print the money to get the banks out of the financial meltdown.

Absolutely. But austerity was supposed to be about repaying it, wasn’t it?

Elderflower14 · 02/07/2025 17:47

ForgeOfEmpires · 02/07/2025 17:42

Sigh.

I voted for Kier Starmer as leader of the Labour party.

I regret voting for him, and also regret being in the Labour party at all. They have been such a disappointment.

Rach is not qualified for her role.

Labour seems to be ideologically captured and it feels like a lot of sixth formers are running the country.

Starmer seems to have no integrity or meaningful position on anything.

I absolutely hated the Tories, but honestly, I'd probably take Boris back right now! I am sad we don't have better leaders who can just inspire confidence.

I quite like sensible tories like Tom Tugendhat. I wish he was PM!

Britain has a lot of problems right now, big ones, and I feel quite worried as do many people.

I do not think cutting off disabled people (at least the way they have done it) is the right answer to any of those problems.

What they should do instead is what Germany does and actually help disabled people into work in a meaningful way - I have disabled family and it's extremely difficult to find work and the job people are bloody useless making ridiculous suggestions.

I think they have rushed through legislation in a panic.

I think a lot of our best MPs were lost in the last 10 years from all the ruckus and very few sensible ones are left.

I don't feel sympathy for her because she wanted to be famous really, that is why she is there.

I agree about helping disabled people into work. Ds2 would love to work.. He can only work so many hours and then his benefits are cut...

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 17:47

Madcatdudette · 02/07/2025 17:43

Hilarious thread. All those people ‘disgusted’ about people’s opinions on Reeves whilst they feel no shame to talk shit about other MPs.🤣

So true.

Roselilly36 · 02/07/2025 17:48

I agree OP, she has done some terrible things, but on a human level seeing someone collapse like that isn’t pleasant at all. How on earth do you recover professionally from that.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 02/07/2025 17:48

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 16:53

You are making some big assumptions there.

Put it this way, I won't be voting Labour in our elections next year. Doesn't mean I don't think this thread is vile in parts.

Whilst I partially agree with you (and not just about some of the comments about her), and I freely admit that I have some degree of bias because I know her well in person, I do think that whilst one can be sympathetic that there is something upsetting her, she has given not a flying f... about the upset that she has caused and continues to cause to pensioners and the disabled. If this was what she entered politics for - high office at the expense of care and compassion for the most vulnerable in society - then she has to some extent made her own bed. You reap what you sow. And I am going to be clear - in my view her lack of compassion, understanding, empathy and any inkling of Labour values is not something new.

If she was unable to continue for some personal reason, whatever that is, then she could and should have left the Chamber, no matter what was happening. She wasn't moved by the personal stories of distress throughout the media over the last week or two. Distress she was as much responsible for as any other minister. So it cannot be a surprise that she is being treated with the same disdain that she treats people with.

Higyt56899 · 02/07/2025 17:49

notinscotland · 02/07/2025 14:05

If she is, perhaps that's appropriate and should be normalised instead of stigmatised? I can think of many, many, many politicians of many parties who SHOULD have been crying (for shame, if nothing else, but often in absolute despair) many, many times, but didn't.

😂

Dwimmer · 02/07/2025 17:50

TeenagersAngst · 02/07/2025 17:39

The majority of people making new claims for PIP are young people claiming for mental health and behavioural conditions.

Instead of wringing our hands about people killing themselves because they feel like they’re a burden (a very tiny % I’m sure) we should be discussing why the profile of claimants has changed in this way.

Why are young people so anxious they can’t use public transport or deal with the public as part of their job? These are two examples I’ve read on MN this week.

In Canada MAiD accounts for nearly 5% of all deaths, and growing so. I don’t think anyone should be killed for feeling like they are a burden even if it was just 1% of assisted suicides (which would be the equivalent of over 150 people a year in Canada).

User32459 · 02/07/2025 17:52

lifeonmars100 · 02/07/2025 17:42

Then we will all be crying.

There won't be a country left in 4 years after Labour have finished. Farage won't want the job.

Sunholidays · 02/07/2025 17:52

Roselilly36 · 02/07/2025 17:48

I agree OP, she has done some terrible things, but on a human level seeing someone collapse like that isn’t pleasant at all. How on earth do you recover professionally from that.

Agree. It's difficult to recover from this.

This doesn't do Keir any favours either. He seems more robotic and out of touch than ever.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 17:52

User32459 · 02/07/2025 17:52

There won't be a country left in 4 years after Labour have finished. Farage won't want the job.

Farage won't want the job.

There is a God.

User32459 · 02/07/2025 17:53

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 17:52

Farage won't want the job.

There is a God.

He'll last about 40 days like Truss did.

StoneofDestiny · 02/07/2025 17:54

littleblueenvelope · Today 13:34
Fuck! Seriously, the Tories fucked up this country on a level that nobody seems to comprehend and the bullshit media are fucking jumping on a woman who dares to cry or show emotion. Fuck the patriarchy. All those dozens of horrendous male Tory MPS we had to deal with time and time again and people are chastising this woman for actually trying to do something! The benefits system is fucked and needs reform but in comparison to what Boris and his cronies did, they’re a breath of fresh air. Sadly the British publish just want a moon on a stick and media have gone on a witch hunt! Since when did Daily Mail readers care about people on benefits? 😂When we have Reform in power nobody will hold Farage to account! Just like not one shitty tabloid has held him to account for the utter atrocity that was Brexit

Amen.
I recall much less fuss when Boris Johnson thought it appropriate to talk about Peppa Pig to the leaders of industry in the middle of a financial crisis! Much less fuss when he tried to prorogue Parliament and when he blatantly lied to the public.

Yes, not a good thing to do, crying in parliament, but it wasn't a good look when Rees Mogg lay across the benches in Parliament as if asleep. Not a good look when Number 10 had a booze filled party while people were dying because of their ineptitude in managing a health crisis.

We need the welfare system reforming - but after due diligence is done about the impact on those who are genuinely unable to work, and those who can be helped into work if capable.

CaspersMum24 · 02/07/2025 17:54

BoredZelda · 02/07/2025 13:57

Truly horrendous to see the responses here about a woman crying whilst doing her job. If you haven’t ever been in that position, lucky you. It happens, it doesn’t mean you are weak, or bad at your job, or unprofessional or any of that bullshit, it means you are human.

She has been treated appallingly by the media, not about her politics, but personally. It reeks of misogyny. It’s ok to disagree with her policies, but posting gleefully about her showing some emotion is a shitty thing to do.

The whole WFP thing has been whipped up to a ridiculous frenzy. Breaking the hold that pensioners have over governments is long overdue. People want no tax rises, no addition to the deficit, no cuts in welfare, but more money in pretty much everything. She is in an impossible position after the Conservatives fucked the country, and anyone who thinks they could do a better job should step right up. And anyone who thinks Farage or Badenoch would lead the Country to prosperity are living in cloud cuckoo land.

But hey, keep on picking holes in every fucking thing this government does, I’m sure we can withstand the uncertainty of another leadership race, followed by a couple of years of people whining that the “unelected” PM has no mandate, bringing us to another general election where the one trick pony Reform take over and we fall even further into the shitter.

Well said.

Catterbat · 02/07/2025 17:56
  1. Nobody knows why she was crying. She may have had a personal bereavement. Be nice, she’s human.
  2. If anyone really thinks Reform is the answer, you are utterly delusional
  3. Re: above - you won’t be aware of this but every time you use the expression ‘2 tier’, somebody somewhere is rolling their eyes and crossing off a number on their ‘thick racist knuckle-draggers on the internet’ bingo card
gerispringer · 02/07/2025 17:57

Has no one had something happen in their personal life that they didn’t manage to hide it at work? Shame this country is run by human beings. Yes they one made poor decisions and have been hammered for it - the WFA was a rubbish benefit , only £200 so it could have been added to the pension and no one would have noticed, then it would be taxed on other income. I’ll get the WFA and I don’t need nor do any of similar aged people I know, but all the press bang on about is the starving pensioners freezing to death and disabled people who can never work because of their mental health or whatever, Trouble is Starmer and Reeves are fundamentally decent people but can’t cope with the emotional toll of all the criticism, some of it deserved, but much of it stirred by the right wing press for whom they can do no right,

TofuBurgerAnyone · 02/07/2025 17:57

Serpentstooth · 02/07/2025 12:46

Bozo and Trump have had a terrible effect on politics. Its OK for them to make promises they can't keep, their fans will accept it as part of their 'charm'. Not ok for your bog standard politician, who will be made to eat his or her words as soon as an opportunity arises.

This

OnlyLittleOldMe · 02/07/2025 17:59

Whilst I agree the welfare costs need to be reformed its not right to start with the disabled who can't work or those on PIP who are trying to work but can't find jobs to fit in with their disability. Start with the Universal Credit and make it more worth while to work than to be on benefits. Make sure there are enough jobs for people to do. Definitely stop paying for boat people to stay in luxury hotels while illegally working for food delivery companies. Thee are many ways to get more money into the economy than making the people who really need help lose their support. Just tax the weakthy and cut the outrageous expenses the MPs claim.

Mumble12 · 02/07/2025 17:59

User32459 · 02/07/2025 17:52

There won't be a country left in 4 years after Labour have finished. Farage won't want the job.

One small mercy then

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