Still vote Labour?

[Iwishicouldflyhigh]

After one year of Labour rule, if you could go back in time and vote again, would you still vote the same.

i voted Tory, and still would, although I also thought change was good, and I was genuinely excited to get a breath of fresh air in number 10, I had quite high hopes.

im now depressed that we are very probably going to get Reform in 4 years.

would you vote differently?

But did the pound slump when you were crying at work?

Oh FFS, she's a human being! I've seen a bit of the footage and she's looks absolutely distraught, not just a bit down. I can well believe that whatever is going on for her is not just work related. Whatever cockups shes been involved in, however shit you think she is at her job, I really feel for her

I mean, it's hard to watch someone cry but, bloody hell, this is a role that requires a good amount of grit. She should have hid behind the speaker's chair with Kendall.

Yes. The tories- corrupt self serving toffs, Reform- dysfunctional racist and caused years of damage in Brexit, Green- who? LDs- who?

I really like this government despite my reservations. If you look what they have actually achieved (not widely reported in the right wing press) I'm more than happy

Do you just skip over the damaging stuff though?

Why would you think that? Her position rn is extremely stressful. It was the question on her that prompted the tears.

After 25 years of being able to vote…I can safely say Tories and Labour allow the same things to happen and resolve next to nothing. The only difference between the two are pathways chosen, the end is the same. I think the reality is the world is so interconnected that stability hangs on by a thread. Politicians will generally go along with the corporations and if they don't, they soon end up regretting it. Much of this country is so outsourced that it relies too much on external supply chains and economic stability. The politicians realistically have relatively little power but because we are so reliant on stability beyond our borders, sometimes the slightest wrong move can be bad. Tories and Labour have shown that they cant make the moves needed, I doubt many can. I doubt also anyone wants to go against the grain and have Britain less reliant on the worlds supply chains and money makers. This is why I gave up voting. I dont see any difference, the end result is always the same in my experience. One thing I will say for Labour, they are leaning too heavily on hitting the corporations, that never ends well.

No, I will never vote Labour again. My grandparents were all working-class Labour voters, but the Labour party they belonged to was very different. It really was on the side of good working people. The modern Labour party is a different beast. If my grandparents knew I was a conservative (though I'll be voting Reform from now on), they'd be furious. But if I could bring them back to life (they died in the 1980s), I'd try and explain that the modern left hates people like me. And it would hate people like them. Yes they were Labour voters, but they were also patriotic. They deeply identified with the literature and history of this island. I suspect they'd have been sympathetic to Brexit as well. They might not have voted leave, but they'd have understood why others did. As for mass immigration, and the destruction of Britain's countryside by endless house-building, they'd have been furious.

The sneering, bullying, hate-filled leftists of today would have puzzled them. When New Labour got in in 1997, Andrew Neather, a Labour advisor, said they planned to use mass immigration as a tool to change the identity of this country: "to rub the right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date." Of course, when he said 'the right', he meant everyone who disagrees with the Oxbridge-educated metropolitan liberals. I have seen people who want to deport immigrants convicted of rape described as 'right-wing'!! It's a meaningless phrase. And I have no doubt most modern Labour-supporters would consider my grandparents right-wing as well. Labour isn't on the side of people like them, and it isn't on my side either.

The PIP and winter fuel pensioner payment U-turns are the perfect examples of why I was unsure about a labour vote in the first place and why I will never vote labour again.

I still think Kier Starmer has all the makings of an excellent PM, but the left of the party will never let him make the difficult decisions that clearly need to be made.

Nobody ever accuses Starmer of being a "man of the people".

@Julen7

"Yes I am more concerned about the long term actions of the rebels on the economy than the party too - (actually couldn’t care less about the party) - but the point I trying to make in a not very succinct way was wouldn’t these rebel MPs rather be in power than opposition?"

Actually I think these rebel MPs would rather be in opposition than in power.

Being in power means that you have to deal with the incredibly hard job of managing the country and the economy. Being in opposition carries far less responsibility, you can criticise anything the Government is doing and besides if you are a backbench MP you still get paid the same salary.

I think I would not willingly vote again for any of them. They come across as absolutely useless.

So it looks like the result of the rebellion by the Labour MPs is that the Government will now have no choice but to raise taxes in the Autumn.

This means that the economy will slow even further meaning even less money for the Government, meaning further tax rises and so on in a doom loop.

On this basis Reform, with their unworkable plans to further increase spending by increasing debt will stand a very strong chance of becoming the next Government.

By rebelling against the Government these Labour MPs are helping Reform become the next Government.

I voted Labour and would do so again, I also like my local MP.

This is likely. But there’ll be no recognition of what you’re saying from those involved or supporters. I agree though.

No just vote for whoever makes the most promises that you personally like however unrealistic they are. That’s the British way.

@ThePhantomoftheEcobubbleOpera@EasternStandardthere are achievements listed each week by Sebastian Salek. Mondays he lists which Bills are being debated and which Committees are running, and at the end of each week he lists achievements. You may not like all of them, but they are making progress. I will screenshot rather than link for those not on X. He’s also on Bluesky etc.

https://x.com/sebastiansalek/status/1935997417020682696?s=61&t=708dEn_EkpuN3JVBO9mR8A

Yes because despite everything they are not the SNP or the Tories.

After 14 years of incompetent and dishonest Tory government and their 5 Prime Ministers, I cannot imagine why anybody would vote for them. They drove the country into a huge mess and have left this government to sort it out.
As for Reform - an abomination of a leader who openly supports Trump and wanted to work for him - until Musk got in on the act. Sadly they are a party attracting racist voters.

A bad Labour government is still always better than the Tories. And I'd never vote Fascist lite aka Reform, Brexit Party or the BNP.

What have they done?

I campaigned for our newly elected labour MP and she is great. Works incredibly hard and is brilliant at communicating with her constituents. Although I'm not particularly happy with the plp I will probably campaign for her again at the next election.

@Iwishicouldflyhighsee my post below