Nadiya Hussain responds to critics

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Nadiya Hussain responds to critics

I can understand her being upset that her shows have been axed, apparently ratings were falling, However, I find it hugely disappointing that she has brought race/religion into it. No one is entitled to a BBC show and I think she has had a bloody good run. AIBU?

😂😂😂
“I know the answer but I’m not telling you it”

How mature. How intelligent. How superior.

Also, you don’t need to keep announcing that you’re finished with the conversation.
We all know you’re incapable of avoiding the temptation to call someone stupid when they ask you to clarify your own point.

Yeah.
I lack comprehension skills because someone can’t answer a simple question about something they claim to be an expert on and have come on here to lecture us all on.

Do you realise how ridiculous you both sound?

You are totally missing the point.

She did NOT moan, whinge or complain about losing her show. She thanked people for being "on the journey" with her, said she was reflecting at what's next and suggested some new projects in the pipeline.

This video is a very thoughtful response to the tons of people sending her messages saying she has to be GRATEFUL in response to having her show axed.

She's not "playing the diversity card". What card? "Chip on her shoulder"? This is racism. She's reflecting on her experiences as a brown, immigrant woman which she is perfectly entitled to do; in fact as a public figure it's important she does.

Her video was extremely educational. I suggest you watch it and reflect.

Yes, the Hairy Bikers started about 20 years ago. The BBC were still picking presenters for ability then, rather than if they ticked a box.

My god !

The BBC were still picking presenters for ability then, rather than if they ticked a box

Perfect example of the attitudes held by the British public. This is why she received so many messages telling her to be grateful. People don't think she deserved her success because she's brown, so, with those messages they sent her, they are reminding her of her "proper place" as a brown, immigrant woman.

This is what Nadiya was responding to - she wasn't "moaning" that her show was cancelled.

And that is why neither @Wilfulignoranceabounds nor I answered your question @Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim because it was completely and utterly beside the point, perfect example of a loaded question fallacy.

I think NH had opportunities as anyone else did. It wasn’t a closed door but an open one.

At the end of a long run everyone gets a thank you and bye. It’s harsh but not personal. How someone takes it will differ. I bet nearly everyone feels crest fallen but it’s look to other opportunities time.

Hi,
How is it a loaded “question fallacy”?

You’re saying it’s racist to tell people from “immigrant families” to be grateful when they’re become overnight millionaires even though it is a common attitude held by the British public towards all celebrities and millionaires.
You refuse to inform us how remedy it…

(because you’re talking nonsense.)

*How is it a loaded “question fallacy”?"

This bit:

You’re saying it’s racist to tell people from “immigrant families” to be grateful when they’re become overnight millionaires even though it is a common attitude held by the British public towards all celebrities and millionaires.You refuse to inform us how remedy it…

You're assuming equivalence where there is none. Nadiya didn't moan her show was cancelled. She responded in a totally typical way - thanking people, watch this space etc.

People then flooded her with messages telling her she should be grateful. Why? Because they don't really think she earned/ deserved her success in the first place. Because she's brown, they assume she got there on the "token" card as people have repeatedly expressed on this thread. So people flooded her with messages to remind her of her place and make sure she appropriately humbled herself.

Nadiya responded by explaining how this tracks with her entire experience as a brown, immigrant woman born and bred in the UK. People start with the assumption that she isn't entitled to/ doesn't really deserve anything she has - even the basic fact of being here is something that was never really owed to her. So she should be grateful. And that's exhausting, because it denies her her humanity. Because the reality is that nobody feels grateful for everything all the time. Because that's not human.

There is no equivalence to be drawn anywhere, in any part of this story, with white, British celebrities and millionaires. Your question assumes there is and then demands an answer as to why there should be a "double standard". loaded question fallacy.

They told her to be grateful because IT IS NORMAL IN OUR CULTURE TO TELL MILLIONAIRES TO BE GRATEFUL regardless of their race, gender, religion etc.

But what if she was selected because they were looking to make their offering more diverse and she fit the bill perfectly? Right place, right time. Tv programmes are not based on pure skill. They are based on what the programme commissioners think is the public mood and what will appeal. At the time Nadiya won bake off, she was perfect for a hole in the market in that sort of show. Had she been a white male at that point there wouldn’t have been a offer - the market is already saturated with that sort of thing. She got the show because of her characteristics. That will never stop being the case.

Is it? Not something I've ever heard. Why should a millionaire who has worked to earn their millions be grateful?

Are you being serious?

I wonder how many messages Trump receives telling him he should be grateful 😂

Quite fond of her... She seems genuine. But I could not watch her show! She made insane things and was quite over the top happy!

Comparing Nadia with Trump. Your finest post.

Actually I was responding to this:

IT IS NORMAL IN OUR CULTURE TO TELL MILLIONAIRES TO BE GRATEFUL regardless of their race, gender, religion etc.

Trump is a millionaire is he not? So I wonder if his DMs are flooded with people reminding him to be grateful. Especially when his chips are down.

Exactly.

Jamie Oliver is extremely grateful for his good fortune of being at the River Cafe when the cameras came. He was lucky enough to be given his own show as his cheeky chappy working class lad persona perfectly fit the bill in the 90s.
But lets not forget that he completed his chef training, worked as a dogs body, studied under the renowned Ruth Rodgers and then was when his fame took off looked to make a difference. He campaigned for better schools meals for children, set up Fifteen to train disadvantaged youngsters to be chefs. He diversified, created employment opportunities and had to face the shame of a collapsing restaurant empire. During Covid he produced podcasts for people to cook along with. Each of his shows is relevant - 15 minute meals, one pot, air fryer, 5 ingredients - encourages people to cook, are generally healthy and taste good. He has always been a professional chef first and foremost.

Nadia won a baking show and was courted by the BBC to do a cooking show.

If the BBC picked her because of her characteristic then she is no different to anyone else and is just lucky that her characteristics were what the BBC wanted. This is positive discrimination. Its gets you an 'in' - which is huge - but once you are in it is irrelevant. To stay on TV you have to be good at what you do and attract an audience.

People are not telling her to be grateful because she has certain characteristics they are telling her to be grateful she was in the right place at the right time. There are many before and after here who are far more talented.

Not in this case. That's false equivalence.

Let's normalise not making the equivalent of (any class of) ethnic minority to be 'poor white'. That seems like some sort of racism or unconscious bias on its own.

Poor white = Poor (insert ethnicity).
Middle class white = Middle class other ethnicities.

Of course poor people from any ethnicity are told this. That's shouldn't be the point here seeing as Nadia isn't poor.

Just continuing to demonstrate the point.

Trump isn’t British

The British ideals of remaining humble and grateful and not blowing your own trumpet are not the same as theirs.

I find it hugely disappointing that she has brought race/religion into it.

I assume you're a woman. Would you say the same if she only brought up sex?

I assume you're non-muslim and not from an ethnic minority. Do you only find it hugely disappointing when whai's 'brought into it' is a category you don't belong to or can relate to?

I actually know her in passing, myself, and rarely watch Bakeoff. It's very easy to not have heard of her especially if you're not a TV person. You're not wrong.

The grateful comments seem to be under a video where she says she has been let go and hasn’t been supported.

She has had opportunities. Ten years in a show. Not everyone gets that.

Farage then. I wonder how many of his messages are swamped with people reminding him to be grateful and humble? 😆