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Why do we still have so many apostrophes in English?

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

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Kirova · 27/06/2025 23:27

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Misogynistic, much?

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:33

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CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 27/06/2025 23:34

Cyclistmumgrandma · 27/06/2025 19:43

Because that is correct grammar.

Every time I see someone insist on ‘correct grammar’ in a situation such as this, I feel obliged to point out that spelling, punctuation and grammar are three separate and distinct things. Apostrophes are punctuation. Grammar relates to sentence construction / syntax etc.

OP, you are right. We used to use a lot of dashes in the 1800s and now I barely see them. Punctuation is not a matter of social etiquette; it’s designed for clarity. If things are perfectly clear without it then there’s a case for not needing to use it. I think contractions are an excellent example of this as we all know ‘don’t’ means ‘do not’. I think possessive apostrophes are also a kind of contraction: I read that ‘John’s book’ was once written ‘John, his book’ when people put their names in their books. We do need those apostrophes as plurals and possessives can be confusing.

Hopefully, I have made no errors in my post given that I started it by correcting someone but I’ve had wine so that’s my excuse.

Kirova · 27/06/2025 23:41

Calling women cows and bitches is certainly sexist, even if it's not misogynistic.

Isittimeformynapyet · 27/06/2025 23:44

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:22

No that is incorrect.

  • Pauses in speech:
  • When reading aloud, a comma often indicates a point where you would naturally pause or take a breath. However, it's not always a perfect one-to-one correlation between spoken pause and written comma.
Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:46

Kirova · 27/06/2025 23:41

Calling women cows and bitches is certainly sexist, even if it's not misogynistic.

No it's not.

Bitch has been used for an extremely long time as insult.

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:46

Isittimeformynapyet · 27/06/2025 23:44

  • Pauses in speech:
  • When reading aloud, a comma often indicates a point where you would naturally pause or take a breath. However, it's not always a perfect one-to-one correlation between spoken pause and written comma.

Source?
A lot depends on the quality of your source

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:48

Kirova · 27/06/2025 23:41

Calling women cows and bitches is certainly sexist, even if it's not misogynistic.

It's strange how you don't like me insulting others.

Yet you were quite happy for ten posters to abuse and insult me.

You're an absolute hypocrite.

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murasaki · 27/06/2025 23:51

I think it is misogynistic as it's using female animal terms.

Kirova · 27/06/2025 23:53

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:46

No it's not.

Bitch has been used for an extremely long time as insult.

So? Women didn't have the right to vote for an extremely long time. It doesn't mean that this wasn't sexist!

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:54

murasaki · 27/06/2025 23:51

I think it is misogynistic as it's using female animal terms.

I don't care.

Well then why don't you take it up with everyone who uses the word bitch.

Because it is an extremely common insult and a lot of people use it.

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murasaki · 27/06/2025 23:56

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:54

I don't care.

Well then why don't you take it up with everyone who uses the word bitch.

Because it is an extremely common insult and a lot of people use it.

At women, not generally at men. So, misogynistic.

murasaki · 27/06/2025 23:58

And also using female terms as an insult, see also cunt, is incredibly misogynistic. As if the worst thing you can be is female.

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 23:59

murasaki · 27/06/2025 23:56

At women, not generally at men. So, misogynistic.

There are insults that are used only for men too.

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murasaki · 28/06/2025 00:02

And in the league table of 'worst insults' , they barely reach league 2. All the most offensive ones, and both sexes have been known to use them towards both sexes, relate to female qualities/body parts.

No one actually called you anything bar someone who couldn't or wouldn't use grammar correctly.

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 00:05

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SemperIdem · 28/06/2025 00:36

You cannot be serious.

GoldfinchFeather · 28/06/2025 00:54

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queenofthesuburbs · 28/06/2025 01:10

Maybe not less intelligent, but certainly less educated

HeisenbergMum · 28/06/2025 01:30

CautiousLurker01 · 27/06/2025 20:59

The apostrophe has never been used to show two words shorted into one - it conveys there is a missing letter.

E.g. did not => didn’t [ie the ‘o’ is missing]

In the possessive form it ALSO indicates that a letter is missing. The possessive in old English was conveyed by added ‘es’ to a noun.

So “Johnes hat” would mean the hat belonging to John, now abbreviated to “John’s hat”. So yes, languages evolve and this is how English has evolved. You need to get over it and stop trying to dictate to English speakers how their language should function.

Didn't know about the es. That's fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

HeisenbergMum · 28/06/2025 01:40

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/06/2025 21:34

Interestingly, you don't need an apostrophe for words like flu or phone.

That's because they're classed as clipped words rather than contractions. There are words with the "clipped" part at the opposite end that make this clearer, like hippo instead of hippopotamus. You would't write hippo', so in the same way, you wouldn't write 'phone or 'flu.

I find it fascinating! I love the quirks of the English language.

I'm loving this thread. It never occurred to me that flu could be short for influenza.

Worralorra · 28/06/2025 02:34

The way our language is written isn’t up for debate. If you are too lazy to use correct grammar, don’t complain if people think that you are.

Typing this in MN, I notice that it autocorrects dont to don’t anyway, so no need to even think about it.

Spelling, context and grammar matter. There is no excuse - you are not Humpty Dumpty, and a word used incorrectly does not mean exactly what you choose it to! If everyone thought that way, communication would become impossible!

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 03:11

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Hahaha. The irony!

You used an incorrect spelling in your post.

It's "feelings", not "feeling".

You said that people with bad spelling have low intelligence...

Then you spelled a word wrong.

So funny.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 03:12

HeisenbergMum · 28/06/2025 01:40

I'm loving this thread. It never occurred to me that flu could be short for influenza.

Of course flu is short for influenza. I thoufht that everyone knew that.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 03:13

queenofthesuburbs · 28/06/2025 01:10

Maybe not less intelligent, but certainly less educated

Another nasty, pathetic, disgusting post.

By the way you made a punctuation mistake.

There should be a full stop at the end of your sentence.

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