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Why do we still have so many apostrophes in English?

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

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Somethingsnapped · 28/06/2025 13:37

MrsKypp · 28/06/2025 13:21

I find apostrophes useful and pretty logical in English. There's always a good reason why/when they're needed eg to indicate a letter has been omitted, contractions, possession or whatever.

The trouble is that not all schools seem to teach how to use them. Then not everybody understands what they indicate and don't know when they're needed or not. For example, I've often seen people add them to plurals (which my brain initially reads as possession - after a moment of confusion I then realise what's happened).

I'm not a grammar nazi, but I do think apostrophes are useful and help keep the meaning of a text clear.

A reasonable reply in the midst of what seems to be the mumsnet equivalent of a bar brawl!

Honestly though, I can see why OP is getting wound up... The very first one or two posts to highlight the original apostrophe typo, were quite amusing (even though it was written correctly in the title, so clearly op knows how it's written), but the many, many others since then are becoming a bit tedious. Be original people!

LegoLivingRoom · 28/06/2025 14:07

MrsKypp · 28/06/2025 13:21

I find apostrophes useful and pretty logical in English. There's always a good reason why/when they're needed eg to indicate a letter has been omitted, contractions, possession or whatever.

The trouble is that not all schools seem to teach how to use them. Then not everybody understands what they indicate and don't know when they're needed or not. For example, I've often seen people add them to plurals (which my brain initially reads as possession - after a moment of confusion I then realise what's happened).

I'm not a grammar nazi, but I do think apostrophes are useful and help keep the meaning of a text clear.

I have quite a clear memory of being given an extension activity in school (because I finished ahead of everyone) which was a worksheet on using apostrophes. It’s the reason I know how to use them and it makes me wonder when everyone else in my school were taught how to use them (back in the 90s).

That said, I think schools are much better when it comes to teaching punctuation and grammar nowadays. Even in primary school DD was learning things I had never heard of.

sashh · 29/06/2025 04:09

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 10:19

It doesn't matter.

We already use the same spelling for different words in English.

Eg "read a book"
"Book a taxi"

But you were just saying that they were the same, a contraction of 'it is', when they are different words.

It's like 'girl's' and 'girls' ' different meaning and the only way you know the meaning is from the apostrophe.

@MrsKypp During my teacher training we had a lecture from someone who worked in a high school and went in to primaries to basically 'sell' the school and then work with year &s.

So far so good, she put a slide up of who she worked with

Headteacher's
Parent's
Pupil's and on and on.

I thought, if I was a parent, that would put me totally off that school.

MrsKypp · 29/06/2025 17:24

@sashh That's appalling! What did your own lecturer say about that - did they see the slides?

Jackiepumpkinhead · 29/06/2025 17:39

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 20:29

Oh my dear God.

Does anyone read a thread.

You’re getting the battering you deserve. Ridiculous post.

KeepDancing1 · 29/06/2025 19:01

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:47

How come we use more than other languages do?

Because, for example, we say ‘the girl’s coat’ and not ‘the coat of the girl’!

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 08:00

Jackiepumpkinhead · 29/06/2025 17:39

You’re getting the battering you deserve. Ridiculous post.

"You're getting the battering you deserve".

Jesus that's like something a domestic abuser would say.

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ChristmasFluff · 30/06/2025 08:54

OP, I think you need to learn Welsh. It will give you SO MANY MORE difficulties to get het up about, and you'll realise how very easy English is, even including apostrophes.

I mean, why do they even bother with all those mutations? And predictive text is of absolutely NO use in those situations. The apostrophe is a minor blip in comparison.

ProperLavs · 30/06/2025 09:24

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 08:00

"You're getting the battering you deserve".

Jesus that's like something a domestic abuser would say.

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Op you are like a dog with a bone and are white upright shall we say.

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 09:36

ProperLavs · 30/06/2025 09:24

Op you are like a dog with a bone and are white upright shall we say.

I'm just shocked at the extremely violent language that the poster used. This place has become a cesspit. Violent langauge like that is disgusting.

My friend used to go out with a very abusive man. I remember after he hit her he would say to her "you deserved it".

She managed to get away from him

You deserved a battering is disgusting language.

OP posts:
Pinkissmart · 30/06/2025 10:04

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

For heaven's sake it's one extra second- for the sake of proper spelling and grammar.

ProperLavs · 30/06/2025 10:16

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 09:36

I'm just shocked at the extremely violent language that the poster used. This place has become a cesspit. Violent langauge like that is disgusting.

My friend used to go out with a very abusive man. I remember after he hit her he would say to her "you deserved it".

She managed to get away from him

You deserved a battering is disgusting language.

It is figurative speech though. Do you generally go through your daily life getting upset about small things?

LostFuse · 30/06/2025 10:20

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 12:47

'Apostrophes' is spelled correctly in my thread title.

Why ignore that?

Because people are nasty bullies that's why, and they just love laughing at other people's mistakes.

As people are so utterly petty and nasty on here, I am going to go back through people's posts and point out their mistakes.

Oh, let’s just hope no one takes a stroll through your old posts—there are some absolute gems in there.

Jackiepumpkinhead · 30/06/2025 10:23

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 08:00

"You're getting the battering you deserve".

Jesus that's like something a domestic abuser would say.

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Reading comprehension, spelling and grammar really aren’t your thing, are they?

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 10:27

Jackiepumpkinhead · 30/06/2025 10:23

Reading comprehension, spelling and grammar really aren’t your thing, are they?

Yes they really are my thing.

Go away bully.

OP posts:
Shoth · 30/06/2025 10:33

RockaLock · 27/06/2025 19:52

Your whole argument seems to be “we use more apostrophes than other languages, therefore we shouldn’t have them.”

Would you prefer to be typing accents instead? A lot of languages use a variety of accents, but we don’t use any.

Leave our apostrophes alone. And if you are going to use them in your OP, please use them correctly Hmm

English doesn’t use more apostrophes than Gaelic! Learn that for a sense of proportion!

BoudiccaRuled · 30/06/2025 10:39

You could use the same crap argument for all sorts of things. Table manners, Ps&Qs, queueing, spelling, playing music loudly on public transport. It's all things that "don't matter" in the grand scheme of things, but, once neglected we are left with a big old mess.

Jackiepumpkinhead · 30/06/2025 10:54

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 10:27

Yes they really are my thing.

Go away bully.

,, there’s a couple of commas for you. HTH.

CautiousLurker01 · 30/06/2025 11:01

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 10:27

Yes they really are my thing.

Go away bully.

Obviously not. The correct punctuation for that post is:

“Yes, they really are my thing.

Go away, bully.”

But I am guessing you consider commas - and, no doubt, the Oxford comma in particular - as being another form of inconvenient, draconian, and redundant punctuation too?

grumpygrape · 30/06/2025 12:17

CautiousLurker01 · 30/06/2025 11:01

Obviously not. The correct punctuation for that post is:

“Yes, they really are my thing.

Go away, bully.”

But I am guessing you consider commas - and, no doubt, the Oxford comma in particular - as being another form of inconvenient, draconian, and redundant punctuation too?

I only ‘discovered’ the Oxford comma in the last couple of years and think it’s brilliant…….sadly, just as it is apparently ‘going out of fashion’. 😥

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 12:18

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CautiousLurker01 · 30/06/2025 12:21

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You are trying very hard to be deeply offensive, aren’t you?

I’m an English teacher - 16plus and undergraduate. I have multiple degrees in English literature and creative writing. Just spent the weekend with 450 published authors, agents and publishers. Completing my PhD this year. We all understand the need for apostrophes, amongst other linguistic devices.

Nothing in my post is pathetic. The wilful refusal to understand the form and function of grammar and punctuation, is, arguably, more than pathetic.

Boliviabae · 30/06/2025 12:25

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XWKD · 30/06/2025 12:29

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:51

But how is it "correct English".

When the word 'It's' evolved from two words 'It is'.

Languages evolve along the way. There is no single correct version

"It's" and "its" mean different things. "Your" and "you're" mean different things.

How is the use of pronouns in other languages relevant?

Why do we use pronouns all the time when Japanese doesn't?
Why do we use "a" and "the" when most languages don't even use articles?

CautiousLurker01 · 30/06/2025 12:33

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Why would you assume I would correct punctuation in a friend’s text? I corrected yours as you have intentionally belittled and disparraged people on this thread and thus indicated that it was open season on editing each other’s replies.

You have posted that you think apostrophes and similar punctuation should be redundant. You invited comment by your thread and have then been belligerent and offensive in response to pretty much every single reply. You are not interested in understanding WHY apostrophes are necessary or what their function is in response to your OP. You merely wanted reflected approval and a round of applause and are defensive because that was not what the response you received.

BTW the meaning of ‘pathetic’ is 1) arousing pity and 2) miserably inadequate. Nothing in my PPs - or that of many of the others responding to your OP - satisfy the use of that word.

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