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Why do we still have so many apostrophes in English?

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Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 03:15

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FrodoBiggins · 28/06/2025 03:22

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:47

How come we use more than other languages do?

How many different languages do you speak? I speak four (including English), three of which frequently use apostrophes for elision (running two words together).

TheSeventh · 28/06/2025 03:24

There are words that should have an apostrophe that generally don't as the language now has evolved, words like 'phone. I'm sure it will happen with others in time.

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 03:27

FrodoBiggins · 28/06/2025 03:22

How many different languages do you speak? I speak four (including English), three of which frequently use apostrophes for elision (running two words together).

I speak three. The other languages that I speak definitelty dont have as many apostrophes as English does.

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FrodoBiggins · 28/06/2025 03:28

Which languages are they out of interest?

wandawaves · 28/06/2025 03:46

Boliviabae · 27/06/2025 19:35

It takes so much longer to type anything on the phone.

Apostrophe's were originally in place to show two words shortened into one. But the shortened versions of the words have been in the English langauge for so long now, why do we need the apostrophes.

The word 'Dont' for example, is easily understandable, without an apostrophe.

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langwij evolvs yor so rite op it takes 2 long 2 typ

StMarie4me · 28/06/2025 04:08

The irony that you have used an inappropriate apostrophe is immense, OP

Chat2025 · 28/06/2025 05:44

Languages do evolve but, as a bit of a pedant myself, that is the only thing I agree with you on.

Apostrophes show contraction or possession and add clarity and precision to sentences. Punctuation is important because of this. Worst case scenario, a misplaced punctuation mark in a military order could alter the fate of a battle, for example. The apostrophe is less important in this regard but 'im' would surely be pronounced differently to 'I'm'. It does take a bit longer to get things correct (and everyone makes typos) but imo, it's worth it. Just try reading James Joyces' Ulysses in which he experimented by using no punctuation. Absolute nightmare!.Dropping the apostrophe would be a slippery slope. Lol.

To me, accuracy is important but code-switching is also part of linguistic behaviour so some people.may pay less attention to using Standard English on social media, for example and, to me, that is fine, as long as they are intelligible - and know how to use it ideally in other contexts..

Dbank · 28/06/2025 06:37

By ur lgc we cld ms-ot lts of chrs and stll be abl to undrstnd a sntnc.

Using correct grammar and spelling is crucial for clear and effective communication, enhancing professionalism and credibility. It ensures the message is easily understood and avoids misinterpretations, making the communication more effective and impactful.

WingBingo · 28/06/2025 07:32

I think you set the tone of the thread early on.

Maybe spend some time reading back your responses. They are reading as very unkind.

ProperLavs · 28/06/2025 08:28

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People were merely responding to your language and tone. You have been insulting and aggressive. I am not sure what you expect. Is this the way you are generally in your life and towards other people?

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 08:28

StMarie4me · 28/06/2025 04:08

The irony that you have used an inappropriate apostrophe is immense, OP

No it's not at all.

Only to pathetic people.

Especially as I've spelled it correctly in my thread title.

I have seen lots of grammar and spelling mistakes in other people's posts on here.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 08:29

WingBingo · 28/06/2025 07:32

I think you set the tone of the thread early on.

Maybe spend some time reading back your responses. They are reading as very unkind.

Of course you would blame me though. You are one of the bullies. So predictable.

No it wasn't my fault.

I stood up for myself after being attacked.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 08:31

ProperLavs · 28/06/2025 08:28

People were merely responding to your language and tone. You have been insulting and aggressive. I am not sure what you expect. Is this the way you are generally in your life and towards other people?

Yes I always stand up to bullies.

When I saw a poster write "people with bad grammar have low intelligence".

I pointed out to her that it's absolutely disgusting and wrong.

People with dyslexia can have really bad grammar and have extremely high intelligence, for example

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Kirova · 28/06/2025 08:39

I'm not sure you're really representing dyslexia accurately here - it's a processing disorder which can lead to errors in spelling and, less commonly, punctuation. This doesn't mean that dyslexic people "have really bad grammar".

CautiousLurker01 · 28/06/2025 08:45

HeisenbergMum · 28/06/2025 01:30

Didn't know about the es. That's fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

I studied middle English as part of my degree in English and was taught this by Tolkien’s son, Christopher…

OP doesn’t seem particularly interested in understanding the actual meaning and use of apostrophes, though, as she’s ignored my comment…. But, no doubt, I am considered a ‘cow’ as a result.

whackamole666 · 28/06/2025 08:47

I love an apos'trophe Grin

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 09:07

Kirova · 28/06/2025 08:39

I'm not sure you're really representing dyslexia accurately here - it's a processing disorder which can lead to errors in spelling and, less commonly, punctuation. This doesn't mean that dyslexic people "have really bad grammar".

It's a processing disorder that leads to errors in spelling AND grammar.

Do you know anyone with Dyslexia? You din't sound like you do.

One of my best friend's has dyslexia. She often gets grammar and sentence structure wrong. She is still highly intelligent.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 09:08

CautiousLurker01 · 28/06/2025 08:45

I studied middle English as part of my degree in English and was taught this by Tolkien’s son, Christopher…

OP doesn’t seem particularly interested in understanding the actual meaning and use of apostrophes, though, as she’s ignored my comment…. But, no doubt, I am considered a ‘cow’ as a result.

No only the abusers who have callled me stupid, and who have called anyone that has poor grammar and spelling "stupid" are the cows.

Some disgusting people on this thread.

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Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 09:10

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I mean this post is just disgusting.

I also know some-one who suffered a small stroke. This affected her use of spelling and grammar.

Accordig to this post, the person who suffered a stroke has low intelligence

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WingBingo · 28/06/2025 09:11

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

Kirova · 28/06/2025 09:11

Part of my work is actually supporting people with SpLDs. So - yes, I do. My dad and one of my sisters is also dyslexic, I've worked with dyslexic people too.

Kirova · 28/06/2025 09:12

WingBingo · 28/06/2025 09:11

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

I think OP just enjoys a fight 😀

Boliviabae · 28/06/2025 09:15

Kirova · 28/06/2025 09:11

Part of my work is actually supporting people with SpLDs. So - yes, I do. My dad and one of my sisters is also dyslexic, I've worked with dyslexic people too.

I also know several and they have told me what they struggle with when using the English language.

You are looking for an argument again.

You said that Dyslexia only affects spelling.

Right lets look at that one point

I believe that the poster earlier on the thread said that people who can't spell, are 'low intelligence' aswell.

So do you agree with her or not.? That people who can't spell have low intelligence. That's what she said

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Somethingsnapped · 28/06/2025 09:16

Wow! This thread is highly, highly entertaining! I don't think I've ever seen such a SPAG bunfight on mumsnet. Thoroughly enjoyable, although getting a little personal at times. My particular favourites are the posts that have criticised another's SPAG, only to have theirs criticised in return. I wanted to post, but then had a crisis of confidence about typos. But fuck it!

Language evolution always fascinates me. For example, even just about a decade ago, the term 'bored of (something)' was incorrect (it's 'bored with'). But now it appears that the Oxford English dictionary have reluctantly accepted it. Same with 'if I were' and 'if I was". Both seem to be acceptable now, although the latter is still a little jarring to me.

I don't think I'd like to see apostrophes done away with though.

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