Lifestyle Choices impacting on the NHS -Boiling my piss!!!!

[Lardychops]

DH is currently on an NHS orthopaedics ward with around 7/8 other men.
He played 5 aside around 3 weeks ago , got bashed on the thigh and the bruise has spread and become hard and hot and painful, now infected and he needs it operated on due to risk of sepsis.

On the ward are 4 men 60 plus who have been involved in motorcycle accidents with legs in pins and have undergone several operations and been in hospital weeks ( 1 for months) as well as a young lad who was brought in yesterday following a cycling collision with another cyclist with his upper left side shattered. One other man was on a sponsored 3 peak running challenge (with a one man band scenario or such like ) and has shattered his ankle. Looking at an op tomo and a very long recuperation. yesterday a man left who had been in for three months after a skking accident with a broken hip that would not heal properly.

Am I unreasonable in thinking that with the NHS in the state it is at this current time that personal responsibility for lifestyle choices should be more of a consideration for all of us with the tax payer footing the bill for feckless and irresponsible behaviours.
It’s all avoidable surely , making better, healthier choices that do not willingly impact on limited resources.

Sports such as football, skiing, cycling, motorcross as well as mountaineering are risky to one’s health and people need to take personal responsibility.

Am I being unreasonable tax payers?

@Lardychops This thread is hilarious and I sort of hoped you were joking, but it appears not. Kindly OP, human beings want to live, not just exist. It isn't just sports such as football, skiing, cycling, motorcross and mountaineering that are risky to one’s health - all of life is. LIFE. IS. RISKY.
How do you know the motorcyclists on your DH's ward weren't just travelling to work and got hit by car-drivers? And speaking of driving, that's a very risky activity if you look at the accident and death statistics. Do you drive OP? If so, will you now stop because you realise this is a terrible "life-choice"? Do you ever travel abroad OP? Will this continue to be one of your life-choices when you know of the risks attached? (Nowhere near as risky as the drive to the airport, of course).
Doctors encourage us to exercise to maintain good health, so what exercise would you suggest that has minimal risk OP? You could pull a ham-string or tear a meniscus just reaching for that net pass whilst playing tennis - damn this risky sport! And if we don't exercise and try to minimise our chances of developing conditions like heart disease and T2 diabetes, that could have a catastrophic affect on the NHS. Oh no, wait, that ship has already sailed ...
In your new world order, the FA Cup, World Cup, Olympics (Winter and summer - have you seen those javelins? 😱 ), F1, Motocross GP, world exploration, etc would never happen.
Accidents happen in life even if we personally do all we can to avoid them (because we can't control other people's behaviour), but you would have us all wrapped in cotton wool, never daring to take risks of any kind. The world has been built on human endeavour OP, and all that endeavour carries risk - and joy - the joy of life. This is how human beings live and, more importantly, want to live.
YABVU OP and you will see the vote is largely in agreement with this view.

But the child is a separate person from the parents and the child did not make a lifestyle choice. And so is entitled to treatment if "lifestyle choices" is the criteria.

Why not tax all these "lifestyle choices" appropriately?
We tax sugary drinks and tobacco, maybe we could start taxing motorcycles, high-performance bikes and adult football clubs to claw back some of the associated costs.

This would only partially ease the cost burden on the NHS, but not help in other ways (like waiting lists) because the doctors operating privately will have come away from the NHS for a day a week (or more) to do so and reduced the NHS workforce.

Are the other patients not taxpayers too?!

Surely it’s the literally the entire point of the NHS - everyone gets to use it when they need it, free at the point of delivery.

Or are only injuries and illnesses that you deem acceptable allowed to be treated? Nobody with a BMI over under 20/over 25, nobody who has ever smoked/vaped, nobody who has ever had a drink of alcohol, nobody who has fallen over on a walk/off a bike, been in a car accident, chosen to have a baby… none of these people can be treated? All could be argued as lifestyle choices.

YABU and utterly ridiculous.

Quite. I was drawing blanks.
FWIW I’m not in favour of an NHS that decides whether ailments / illnesses / etc are self inflicted or as a result of lifestyle choices.

All this suggests is that men need to get better at their hobbies. 😂

Then why can't the child have any NHS treatment without the consent of the parent?

To be clear this is not a genuine suggestion I'm making, but your retort is flawed.

Sorry but it’s really obvious that’s what she’s doing.

Fgs, so all those pesky people with physical hobbies, making sure their cardiovascular risk is optimal by exercising.

Bet you don't like the smokers. You'd have a fit of apoplectic rage if you visited a vascular ward.

Oh. It wasn't obvious from her OP - she might just be very dim.
So, why post the tongue in cheek OP? To sit back and watch the predictable replies? And she does the same on other threads?
Why?

What a ridiculous post...everyone should make for the safety of their sofa then, and avoid physical activity 🤣

Blindingly obvious, I agree. Probably bored of all the fat-shaming threads recently.

That is not true.

Decisions as to medical treatment are made in the child's best interests. Normally, this accords with the parents' wishes, as most parents will be guided by medical advice, but hospitals can and do seek court orders to override parents' wishes if doctors believe it to be in the child's interests.

Children are neither legally nor medically treated as extensions of their parents. They have separate personhood in their own right. And parents have responsibilities primarily rather than rights - any parental "rights" they do have are given to allow them to meet their responsibilities to their children.

This is why I have private health cover, so nobody can tell me off for doing things that I enjoy.

I'd rather die at 50 doing something I enjoy than be laid there at 95 thinking "didn't really make the most of that life did I"

Everyone home, no more hobbies, or living life. Seriously, sitting doing nothing has NO health benefits whatsoever, in fact it would lead to so many health problems. is school out early today?

I think tax Netflix and also highly interesting novels, anything that keeps people watching or reading hours past their bedtime. We know what a killer fatigue is, after all.

Lets ban ladders and cars

Where would it end though? There has already been debate about whether addictions should be treated on NHS, smokers, people on a night out who drink themselves silly and then get an injury shouldn’t be treated. It was decided to be unethical to discriminate like this.

Bear in mind, if your policy was to become true it would have knock on effect on leisure industries and motorcycle/bicycle manufacturers as noone would buy if related injuries were non NHS treatable.

Personally though, sadly I think there will be some kind of ‘personal accountability tier’ perhaps in the future given the continuing struggling funding needs of the NHS.

Well if we want people to pay how about we make it mandatory that tourists have health insurance for unexpected illnesses AND that hospitals actually bother to follow through and collect. Because loads don’t, on both counts.

I would also start charging people who have gone abroad for cheap and unnecessary surgery that hasn’t worked but expect the NHS to fix it for free.

But if you want to pick the low hanging fruit then go ahead, after all , whats wrong with a few people lying in the street with broken legs, coughing and spreading communicable diseases, giving birth to babies in public toilets?

Oh yes, we absolutely must charge non-nationals for healthcare, I thought this was already the case. If I went to Spain, it's the law that I must have insurance in case I become ill or injure myself. Our country gives so much away to other nations and their people and then wonders why the funds are supposedly low.

For such a small island, I think England has done it's bit of charity towards other nations. We've gone above and beyond.

Donor cycles

Did you even read your own post?

Your husband is the same! 5 a side was a choice and he's taking a bed up!

Yet they rely on paramedics on motorcycles, and the amazing volunteers who do blood bank runs etc.

NHS staff also ride motorcycles.