To think Palestine Action isn't a terrorist group?

[NotDarkGothicMama]

I don't agree with what they've done (breaking into military bases to vandalise planes), but I don't understand why they're being proscribed. Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil have caused far more damage to property and general annoyance.

Arrest and prosecute the people who commit criminal acts, absolutely, but this is setting the bar for branding protestors "terrorists" far too low.

To be fair, these are different situations, as the planes damaged were due to fly to bomb civilians in East Timor and Yemen.

As far as I'm aware, our military is not involved in harming Palestinians, so the damage to these planes hasn't any justification arguable on those grounds! (And if the group supports Hamas, it is supporting terrorists.)

caat.org.uk/news/21-years-on-solidarity-with-the-disarmers/

You'd be quick enough to call it damage if people threw paint all over your house and car. They actually got paint in the engines, which is incredibly expensive. Even if the damage had cost £5 though, this is a deliberate attack on UK military and therefore is terrorism. Behaviour towards Jewish people described on another thread is antisemitism, and designed to create fear, and being done by the same violent group. I think police have been far too lenient to date; the group need to be banned and those committing the worst offences must be jailed, or deported where they are not citizens.

Maybe not even then. At least it will be illegal for the group to be supported online.

I agree they are not terrorists. Our government
needs to jump off the fence and take a stronger stand against Israel.

You're right. No justification on those grounds. Thanks.

Yes, I would agree with this. It has to be stopped otherwise it will escalate.

I will ask the same to you, do you live in the UK? If so, how do you think we would fare with incapicated aircraft?

They attacked a military installation. I live not far from a barracks, they have soldiers with guns on the gate. They are lucky they were not shot, in other countries they would have been shot on sight.

Are people only terrorists if it's an ideal you disagree with?

They broke into and defaced a UK military base, which interferes with national security. That is a different type of activity from disrupting public order and attacking private (corporate) or civilian property. Use common sense - what would the reaction be if any non-UK-based group had done the same?

In any case, they haven't been added yet, so if this is an unfair characterization for some as yet unrevealed reason, there will be an opportunity to argue and present evidence against proscription.

It isn't like assault, it is damage to property. Quite different.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mnnje4wlro

They have assaulted a police officer. With a sledgehammer.

No I haven’t said that.

In many parts of the world you can be arrested and thrown in jail just for taking photos near a military base. I’m not sure about precise legal definitions but I regard deliberately damaging our national military assets as treason never mind terrorism (not sure there is still an offence called treason but maybe we need one).

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Bloody idiots. I hope they are banned.

I know. I'm just wondering, because supposing a pro Israeli group had done this..would they be terrorists or not?

With what? Causing damage to the very things that protect our country IS the very definition of terrorism. FAFO!

I do not see this as an act of terrorism. This is answering your question?

I don’t think PA have become a proscribed organization based only on what happened at the base.

But it will mean their members are under a lot more scrutiny than before. For all of those saying they haven’t done anything violent well there are quite a few organizations on the UK’s list who would also not have “done” anything violent but are still considered to be a threat.

The comparison was that assaulting a police officer is dealt with more seriously than assaulting a member of the public.

Rather than comparing and saying assault and damage to property are similar.

This property is of a particular type So would be dealt with nore seriously than other types of property.

Their actions come under the CPS definition of terrorism

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism

Yes, it does. So, pro Israeli, or pro Palestinian, you think this would not be an act of terrorism. Interesting.

The CPS disagree
www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/terrorism

Thank you for this.

Funny how this is an act of terrorism for people, whilst flying these planes into Gaza and dropping them on innocent people -children, babies- is not terrorist but you know, defense….Such a fucked up world.