People no longer have pride In how they drsss.

[Welliesandtweed]

I've increasingly noticed that people are getting scruffier and scruffier in how they dress.

Some of the secretaries where I work come in, In trainers, band t shirts, coloured hair, loose fitting, cheap tops. I wouldn't do the garden in some of the outfits I see. They aren't typically patient facing but on occasion are. I think it really lacks professionalism to turn up scruffy to work.

Same for people out for an evening meal in jogging bottoms.

On Saturday we had sports day at school and every woman was in a nice dress and men in chinos / short chinos and shirts. Children all in proper PE uniform. It was so refreshing to see.

FFS. People choose to wear comfortable clothes, how very dare they, when they should choose tight waistbands and straining buttons to show everyone how disgustingly obese they are.

Yep! I recently changed jobs. I've been able to wear what I want at work since 2007 so it was actually one of my criteria. I'd rather be able to wear (well styled) jeans and trainers than work from home.
There was no way I'd be buying a new work wardrobe for the sake of 20ish hours a week.

I wore some ( brand new ) cream trainers to a smart casual training day, and there was a remark about it being scruffy to wear trainers in the office

If you're going to mock a poster's spelling it's usually worthwhile checking your own post before posting.

Every woman at the sports day was in a naice dress? Really? Not one of them daring to go for a skirt and top, or designer trousers?

When I go to sports day, I go to watch my children and their friends, not to check out what the other parents are wearing. On a hot day like this Saturday, that would probably have meant shorts and a T shirt.

I agree - flipflops in the office etc - look around just a sea of t shirts and jeans on a night out - for example at the theatre - go to Italy - wow everyone looks stylish in their clothes and so well put together as well - even the men are smart -

I think the posters on your thread prove your point, OP 😆

I agree with the OP
I bet the secondary school your children go to, has teachers who wear smart clothes and jackets and youd have a fit if they all wore jeans and T-shirts.

Why on earth is this of any concern to you? It has zero impact on your life and is none of your business?

It always makes me laugh when people mention how people dress in Italy/France. I did 6 months at uni in France (not Paris, which is what people really mean when they say "French women look stylish) and the students and teachers were the scruffiest bunch of chain smokers you'll ever see.

Phyllis we’ve missed you!

OP I’m going to buck the trend on the thrashing you seem to be getting. We often walk through the park adjacent to our DC’s former primary school (they’re 18 and 21 now) and there is a huge difference in how people dress compared to 2008 through to 2018.

My DH remarked recently that “everyone looks poor” and that really resonated with me. They probably ARE poor compared with my lot back in the day, with such huge job security and ridiculously inflated rental and mortgage costs!

So nice clothes are unfortunately not a priority. It’s not a lifestyle choice sadly, but a necessity.

I think how you dress is a reflection of your standards. If you turn up at work looking like an unmade bed, then it indicates you don't have pride in your job and your standards. You don't dress for work like you are chilling out on a Sunday, clearing the garage or attending a gig.

I promise you, the person who is actually paying you couldn't be less interested in how you dress, What they are interested in is your ability to do your job and work hard.

I remember working with a woman who always came into work in a back-room job in designer clothes, high heels and immaculate make-up. She disappeared every couple of hours to touch up the make-up, taking at least 20 minutes each time. Her work standards were terrible - she came in late, took long lunch hours, did the minimum possible, badly, while making it obvious she thought she was above the rest of us scruffy oiks. Needless to say, she didn't survive her probationary period. Our managers learnt from that that obsession with your appearance definitely does not equate to high standards and shied away from well-dressed job applicants from then onwards.

I don't think I ever saw a teacher at my children's secondary school wearing a jacket for anything other than special occasions. They had some brilliant teachers, too.

100% with you on that. I went round in leggings and crocs and a band t shirt today with no make up on and hair scraped up in a messy bun. God knows what the OP would have made of me but I don't give a rat's arse.
I was comfy and happy.

I wouldn't leave the house in trackie bottoms, but I don't judge those that do. I manage a team where people will show up in lounge wear, smart skirts/tops, dresses and all sorts. They wear what they're comfortable wearing and I don't care a jot so long as their performance isn't impacted (which it isn't).

Sports day wise, we live in a pretty well heeled area (including all the tweed - as your username suggests will appeal). The parents were a real mixed bunch of tweed/HC/Fairfax, nice dresses, jeans and sportswear. And I can pretty much guarantee that 99% of the parents didn't notice at all - they were busy cheering their kids on and dealing with the heat/their younger children.

You are entitled to your opinion, but others are entitled to theirs and can dress as they choose. If you saw me at sports day or Friday, you'd have approved of me. If you'd seen me last month, you'd have hated my purple hair, band tees and skate trainers - people can have several different styles and you may only see them on particular days.

I would have been fine to anyone wearing trainers in the office for a training day.

That said, if you wanted to wear smarter shoes, you could carry them to swap into when you reach the office. Normally I commute in trainers and leave the smarter shoes in the office but it is not possible when travelling to a venue. It is not unusual when I attend external conferences to see women changing into their pumps at the reception area before attending an industry conference where they have to meet their contemporaries and competitors and network.

There's a huge difference between scruffy & casual. Casual & neat are fine, regardless of fanciness. Scruffy is not. I work in a professional office where clients are paying huge amounts for the service (finance) & some staff see clients looking like they haven't bothered to brush their hair. We've a uniform. I went to a competitor recently for a training course run from their office & the difference was obvious. Casual, jeans etc. but neat. As a client I know where I'd go.

Coloured hair? Most people colour their hair??

Band t-shirts are the best.

Trainers are very much in fashion, with most outfits.

Tops don’t need to be fitted to be nice or “professional”.

How do you know the price of their clothing?

Even if they were patient facing, does what they’re wearing change their ability to do their job?

I’m not sure you’re using the word “scruffy” correctly.

What is wrong with jogging bottoms for an evening meal? I don’t really understand. I would perhaps understand if the restaurant had a dress code that said no football strips for example.

I actually don’t think this post is real, as surely no one is this much of a snob.

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This made me laugh out loud!!

What is your job? I'm not being goady but some jobs don't demand tailored trousers and a smart top, just smart casual.
My office says smart casual and that's what I wear. Some of my team members look well scruffy so I'm the one who gets sent out to meet bloody customers as I am dressed the best. It pisses me off!

And the spelling is even worse.

But were you at work? I look like that when I'm cleaning the house, so it's acceptable, but not one job I can think of where that would be acceptable to wear for a paying job. Fruit picker maybe? Or.....?