The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

What do you define as the "Global South" ?

So who do you propose installed this evil regime to overthrow the other evil regime they used to otherthrow the democratically elected government in 1953 who dared to nationalise the country’s own resources???? Do you know history?

She’s knows nothing but brain washing propaganda. You’re wasting your breath.

Oh, and just being “pre-emptive” before anyone starts lecturing about Iran’s actions, let’s look at the record. The US and Britain overthrew Iran’s democratically elected government in 1953. The US and Israel then helped establish SAVAK, the Shah’s brutal secret police, to keep that regime in power. The US trained SAVAK in torture techniques originally used by the Nazis to crush dissent. During the Iran-Iraq War, the US gave Saddam Hussein satellite intelligence so he could target Iranians with chemical weapons, and later protected Iraq from condemnation at the United Nations.

If we are going to talk about threats or aggression in the region, we should begin with the facts.

I suppose so. Or North Korea or Belarus, perhaps.

Have you seen Trump’s tweet today about regime change in Iran?

Donald J. Trump Truth Social 06.22.25 04:55 PM EST

It’s not politically correct to use the term, “Regime Change,” but if the current Iranian Regime is unable to MAKE IRAN GREAT AGAIN, why wouldn’t there be a Regime change??? MIGA!!!

A bit provocative, wouldn’t you agree?

Another day in this madness. Iran has held talks with Putin. If we just could know what they said to each other and what they are thinking.

If the oil price spiked, as it would if the S of H was closed, and transport oil was seriously reduced, it would have a negative effect on the world economy in total, in particular the European economy. The US has plenty of its own wild, remember and imports heavy oil from Canada. I imagine they would allow shipping to China, as it has no involvement in this. In general, over the next few years and decades, economies in Europe (inc the UK) are badly at risk anyway.

@EasternStandard Just FYI (apologies if already mentioned), Trump is now talking about regime change and MIGI and Netanyahu says the bombing hasn't had such a great effect after all!

I did warn you! Apologies for calling you naive repeatedly but it was never going to be so straightforward.

From what I have watched in the evening, the Iranians had already moved most of their critical and most extensive equipment. The US strikes caused relatively little damage and were essentially for political effect because the mission was poorly executed from a military perspective. Trump has now put thousands of ME based service people at risk. Of course, that's on top of what I said earlier about making it more likely that Iran will retaliate, etc, etc

@rainingsnoring So Netanyahu is not happy with the extend of the damage. Do we think he will command Trump to do a second strike? He may scold him and all "oh, you did not do a job good enough. Well now you are in it and you will wrestle the lion I just woke up by poking it in the eye, because I say so"

OK I get it, but I don't think Iran will close the straights for the reasons I posted earlier.
They'd just upset too many countries.

If they did then the US navy would blockade their ports and cause all sorts of problems with their imports, especially grain.
The last time Iran got pissy about this sort of situation was in 1988 when they mined an American warship. USA retaliated and.it resulted in half the Iranian navy being sunk
Somehow I don't think they want to repeat this.

There is a salutary lesson here to not depend on renewables or importing oil from hundreds of miles away..

We need to start drilling in the North Sea again and quickly !

Bibi can't command Trump to do anything.

I agree fully that the US would try to prevent it if Iran take this action. We don't know how successful the US would be. I don't think Iran have much of a navy now and the Iranians will certainly be prepared to take risks if they do decide to go down this route. I think they may not do it immediately (despite the talk) but it will absolutely remain a weapon of potential 'weapon' that they could use.

N Sea drilling really won't help in this situation, not at all.

Agree re North Sea oil. Reducing that a luxury we don’t have.

@rainingsnoring "From what I have watched in the evening, the Iranians had already moved most of their critical and most extensive equipment."

Where to?

Wherever they move it to won't give the protection it had before under a mountain range.

If they did USA may well be aware of this. Satellites are able to observe a cigarette packet on a New York sidewalk, so there's no problem observing movements in an uninhabited region.

I think it's pretty certain that he will try to draw Trump into further attacks. Exactly how he might do that, I don't know. The Jewish lobby certainly have huge power in the US.

But it does look very much like he can. He played up Biden so many times. And now Trump is looking exactly as helpless as Biden was.

You think they spent nearly a billion just for bravado and show? 😂 I mean, it’s not inconceivable - they are the masters of deception but naive to think Iran won’t be a few steps ahead…

Sadly, the Iranians didn't tell me where they are hiding their uranium. :)

I expect the US is aware of this.

The other issue, as I understand it, is the degree of penetration of the bombs, ie they may well not penetrate at enough depth to destroy.

Trump has been incredibly foolish. Honestly, I was naive in this as I had hope that he was going to be more peaceful than his predecessors.

He has illegally attacked another country. He has broken the UN charter and his own constitution. He will have angered a lot of people. He has not thought this through and there will very likely be a lot of ramifications for him personally, never mind thousands or even millions of others.

Drilling in the North Sea won’t help-the oil is not ours. It will just go on the open market and sold at the global price to whoever will buy it.
It’s not going to make up for the 20% lost should Iran block the strait.
We need to stop our reliance on oil and invest in renewables here in the UK for our use in the UK.

Maybe people in this country don't like watching babies being starved to death: just a thought .

We need both. There’s no point stopping the former.

And their parents being shot trying to get them some food. Every single day.

Erm…there’s loads of reasons to stop drilling for fossil fuels.
theres little point in waiting till it all runs out plus the impact on the climate emergency we are all sleepwalking in to.