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The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 01:19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

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rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:21

DdraigGoch · 22/06/2025 09:19

Iran has spent the last 50 years bombing Israel. They have also been attacking commercial shipping in international waters. They fucked around, now they're finding out.

There's a reason that Iran is not popular with any of its neighbours.

The popularity comment is rather ironic considering that Israel are currently engaged in multiple wars with their neighbours in the ME.
Iran will not become engaged in war as a direct result of Israeli and US actions.
We should all be fearful, not cheering.

snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:21

Horserider5678 · 22/06/2025 05:47

Clearly you don’t remember when the US invaded Iraq claiming there were weapons of mass destruction! Guess what there weren’t any! The biggest nuclear threat is not from Iran but countries like Pakistan, so what next? Bomb them, Russia has a huge nuclear arsenal, and will likely side with Iran! Do you know which country Russia is likely to bomb? The UK! So perhaps don’t comment on things you clearly don’t understand!

The biggest nuclear threat is Putin (Not Russia, the country, Putin, the (mad)man)

Chiseltip · 22/06/2025 09:23

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 08:43

@rainingsnoringdo you think there’s no threat from an Iran with nuclear weapons? Would you have let it continue in development

Well, North Korea HAS the weapons, and has made numerous direct threats to bomb the US.

Yet nothing has happened to Kimmy . . .

🤔

Strange how they only seem attack nations that "may have", "are believed to" . .

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:24

FOJN · 22/06/2025 09:20

Absolutely, so much concern about the houthis being Iranian proxies, what do we think will happen to shipping now?

The stupidity of it all is frightening.

I really despair at the stupidity on display.
There is very little critical thinking nowadays, the population has been successfully dumbed down. Mind you, perhaps that's just human beings in general, because these things are cyclical.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:24

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:16

I totally agree @snowmichael
I guess all those posters cheering on Israel violence and the US decision to join in won't feel quite so Kool if and when this escalates into a more widespread conflict or when Iran decide to block The Straits of Hormuz, sending oil prices up massively.
Face palm, as you say.

Of course. The alternative Iran having a nuclear weapon is what you have to balance against.

The issue doesn’t just go away by itself. But gets worse whether it’s a couple of years or not.

Lifesd · 22/06/2025 09:25

MumWifeOther · 22/06/2025 08:05

There’s only one threat to the world a d it’s not Iran.

This is entirely laughable - there are many threats to the world.

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:26

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 09:20

Guam is too far away and would involve overflying too many countries.

Flying from Diego Garcia would involve a straight NNW flight over the ocean.

The base is under the military control of the US so the PM would have been notified but they (US) don't need his permission.

They flew with mid air refuelling from Guam - didn't go via Diego Garcia.

snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:27

Righteo · 22/06/2025 07:26

Israel has levelled Gaza. Isn't that enough destruction for you?

Gaza is not a country

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:27

FOJN · 22/06/2025 09:20

Absolutely, so much concern about the houthis being Iranian proxies, what do we think will happen to shipping now?

The stupidity of it all is frightening.

You can’t wish this Iranian threat away though. And longer it’s left the greater the threat. So you leave it a few years and Iran is further emboldened.

Why would that be a good thing?

Lifesd · 22/06/2025 09:27

ArtTheClown · 22/06/2025 08:31

Deliberate fear mongering by Western media to make the populations scared in order to justify Israeli and Western violence.

It's wild to me how people in the UK will shill for Islamic extremist regimes like Iran.
It's a regime actively hostile to the UK:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c706wx05936o

💯 agree - absolute madness

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:28

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:24

Of course. The alternative Iran having a nuclear weapon is what you have to balance against.

The issue doesn’t just go away by itself. But gets worse whether it’s a couple of years or not.

There is no evidence that they have nuclear weapons. They were in peaceful negotiations with the US when the Israelis decided to strike them (probably because they didn't want an agreement to be made as they were already intent on an attack).
Apart from that, N Korea has nuclear weapons. Have they used them? No but they have (so far) put other countries off attacking them. As I said, if anything, this will embolden Iran to make a nuclear weapon to act as a deterrent to Israel and others.

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snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:29

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 07:31

@mrsrtobinson Gaza isn't a country.

Palestine is though and only a minority of people deny that.

Palestine is also not a country - and hasn't been since around 460BCE

MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 09:30

All we need now is China to potter onto Taiwan and the bingo card is complete.

Any analysis on the stocks and shares of armament producers? Some people will be rubbing their little hands in glee as long as none of "the leaders" go rogue and light the wrong sort of touch paper.

The next "superweapon" will probably be nicknamed "The Clusterfuck".

I am the very definition of a grumpy old woman this morning.

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rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:30

Lifesd · 22/06/2025 09:27

💯 agree - absolute madness

Can you point out one poster who is actively cheering on the Iranian regime? Please do quote them.

I have only read comments criticising the Israeli and US violence and concern for the ramifications.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:31

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:28

There is no evidence that they have nuclear weapons. They were in peaceful negotiations with the US when the Israelis decided to strike them (probably because they didn't want an agreement to be made as they were already intent on an attack).
Apart from that, N Korea has nuclear weapons. Have they used them? No but they have (so far) put other countries off attacking them. As I said, if anything, this will embolden Iran to make a nuclear weapon to act as a deterrent to Israel and others.

You’ll need accurate insight to make conclusions. I’d say U vd L and other G7 leaders recognise the threat.

All are agreed on Iran not getting weapons. Mners think it’ll be ok, but I’m not sure where that certainty comes from.

Why are you certain the threat isn’t there?

snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:33

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 07:43

Palestine is a country split in two halves.

The West Bank with Mahoud Abbas as a democratically elected president and
Gaza that elected a member of the Fatah Party in 2007.

Following that election in Gaza there was a brief Civil War when Hamas fighters took control of the Gaza Strip, while Fatah officials were either taken as prisoners, executed, or expelled.

There have been no elections since then and Gaza has been controlled by a terrorist group which is a proxy of Iran.

Palestine is not a country

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 09:33

snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:29

Palestine is also not a country - and hasn't been since around 460BCE

The majority of the world recognise Palestine as a country. 75% of UN member states recognise Palestine.

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:34

Chiseltip · 22/06/2025 09:23

Well, North Korea HAS the weapons, and has made numerous direct threats to bomb the US.

Yet nothing has happened to Kimmy . . .

🤔

Strange how they only seem attack nations that "may have", "are believed to" . .

This is the point of the attack really - it's been well known for over a decade that the US would intervene if Iran got close enough to getting nukes in order to stop them reaching that point. The talks that were going on were a sign of concern things might be going that way - Iran hasn't allowed inspections for a long time now and several other countries were getting antsy.

Attacking a country that already has nukes is a very different prospect due to mutually assured destruction. Thats why every country has said Iran can't be allowed to get nukes. The Iranian rhetoric and objectives of the Ayatollah regime mean that Iran using them would have been a genuine prospect and would have given them a threat to use against every country in the world.

Countries who already have that threat can't really be touched. I suspect there would have been US action in N Korea at some point otherwise.

Liverpool2025 · 22/06/2025 09:35

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 09:33

The majority of the world recognise Palestine as a country. 75% of UN member states recognise Palestine.

Read up on your history.

It was a country, now it's an occupied country.

savory · 22/06/2025 09:36

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:21

The popularity comment is rather ironic considering that Israel are currently engaged in multiple wars with their neighbours in the ME.
Iran will not become engaged in war as a direct result of Israeli and US actions.
We should all be fearful, not cheering.

And I think you will find pushing out 700,000 Palestinians from their ancestral homelands through terror in 1948 to adjoining countries plus the legacy of western colonialism have simmered the pot - Israel is far from a clean pair of hands in regional instability but loves to shout victim whever they can.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:37

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:31

You’ll need accurate insight to make conclusions. I’d say U vd L and other G7 leaders recognise the threat.

All are agreed on Iran not getting weapons. Mners think it’ll be ok, but I’m not sure where that certainty comes from.

Why are you certain the threat isn’t there?

Of course I am not 100% certain. I am not in Iran and am not a weapons inspector!
From everything that I have read though, and even what the Americans said recently, they are not about to produce a nuclear weapon. As I said above, N Korea (another enemy of the West) has nuclear weapons but does not use them. They have, however, prevented the US, etc from attacking them.

What we do know is that Netanyahu and his government are bloody thirsty liars, intent on destroying Iran and the regime and will make up any amount of lies to persuade the US to support them. Did you watch the video I linked to?

Why on earth are you listening to U vd L?
Since when do these people tell the truth?

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:38

savory · 22/06/2025 09:36

And I think you will find pushing out 700,000 Palestinians from their ancestral homelands through terror in 1948 to adjoining countries plus the legacy of western colonialism have simmered the pot - Israel is far from a clean pair of hands in regional instability but loves to shout victim whever they can.

I agree with you!

There is a stray 'not' in my comment above.

snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:39

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Catsandcheese · 22/06/2025 09:39

147 countries in the world recognise Palestine as a sovereign nation. Noticeably absent are the UK, the US, Canada to name a few. But it’s irrelevant whether it’s a country or a state, genicide is happening there at the hands of Israel.
I have a friend in Dubai and she is very concerned this morning due to proximity and uncertainty regarding any radiation from the bombsites. Dubai is 50km across the water from Iran.

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