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The US has bombed Fordow and other sites.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 22/06/2025 01:19

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/22/israel-iran-war-live-trump-says-us-has-attacked-nuclear-sites-in-iran-including-fordow

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Crystaltipsandalistaire · 22/06/2025 09:41

Years of threatening the west and usa casually bombs the heck out of them. There bluff has been called. What do you expect. Now, as for UK, let's see all those fighting age immigrants announce there allegiance to the county that is housing and feeding them or will they be out demonstrating? I can already guess.

JudgeJ · 22/06/2025 09:42

Thegreyhound · 22/06/2025 07:02

Maybe the side of the people, the civilians?

Iranians using the UK to protest should be immediately deported back to Iran where they can continue their protests. Ditto any other nationalities who don't have the cojones to protest in their own countries and choose the UK as a soft touch.

snowmichael · 22/06/2025 09:42

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savory · 22/06/2025 09:43

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:38

I agree with you!

There is a stray 'not' in my comment above.

Sorry not aimed at you - the person you were qouting.The creation of Israel in 1948 and the subsequent fall out from that created most of the seeds of regional instability that has now grown some many poisioned fruits and they revel in the disarray.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:43

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:37

Of course I am not 100% certain. I am not in Iran and am not a weapons inspector!
From everything that I have read though, and even what the Americans said recently, they are not about to produce a nuclear weapon. As I said above, N Korea (another enemy of the West) has nuclear weapons but does not use them. They have, however, prevented the US, etc from attacking them.

What we do know is that Netanyahu and his government are bloody thirsty liars, intent on destroying Iran and the regime and will make up any amount of lies to persuade the US to support them. Did you watch the video I linked to?

Why on earth are you listening to U vd L?
Since when do these people tell the truth?

I’d prefer to those framing this in line with strong feelings on Israel on mn.

If those who are asking for ‘negotiating table’ are still saying Iran cannot have nuclear weapons that’s a reasonable position.

You seem to be saying Iran can have them as NK has not used them. There’s no way that’s robust enough reasoning. Anyone wanting Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a threat. They will be an outlier though in wanting that. Leaders are pretty much united on seeing the risk.

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:43

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 09:33

The majority of the world recognise Palestine as a country. 75% of UN member states recognise Palestine.

Palestine is a country. I think it's beyond time for it to be globally recognised as such and for its people to no longer be considered refugees - unrwa holding on to that status despite it not being applied in any other similar situation has ultimately become a millstone around Palestinians necks and let in operators like Hamas who genuinely don't care about the interests of the Palestinian people. The outcome of all this godawful mess has to be Palestine emerging as a country with statehood and stable government able to advocate for itself without terror and resistant to manipulation by states like Iran, and normalising relations with Israel. It won't be easy at all to get there and will likely require a mediator country stepping in to manage Gaza in the short term but no matter the past to move into the future both countries must have a safe and assured existence. Ultimately the best way to avoid conflict is for both counties to have good lives they feel safe in which wouldn't be worth destabilising.

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:47

@snowmichael

ive reported your post as it is utterly sickening that you’re implying the gazans are well and absolutely thriving in fact

SinnerBoy · 22/06/2025 09:48

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 03:11

How is he a warmongerer?

Well, the whole bombing them part tends to suggest it.

He has tried to reach peace deals and Iran failed to agree.

Has he? Or has he spouted a load of shite?

If only there were some mutually beneficial arrangements in place, which would have Iran give their highly enriched uranium over and agree to inspections from the IAEA and UN, to a more intrusive level than legally required.

Iran could have had frozen assets unlocked and sold their oil on the international market again.

Oh wait, that was the case! So what happened?

Oh yes, last time round,Trump reversed all that for no reason other than, "Ug, Iran bad! Smash Iran! Nuclear bad! Ug!"

Face it, the Israelis have been saying periodically for the last 30 years that Iran is 6 months to a year away from having a nuclear weapon. I don't want any more nuclear armed countries, but to be honest, they'd be mad not to be trying.

GentleSheep · 22/06/2025 09:48

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:26

They flew with mid air refuelling from Guam - didn't go via Diego Garcia.

Edited

They didn't actually, that turned out to be a decoy flight. The B2s that flew to Iran flew directly there from Missouri, their transponders were off so they couldn't be tracked, but by then all eyes were on the other set of B2 bombers.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:49

SinnerBoy · 22/06/2025 09:48

Ilovelifeverymuch · Today 03:11

How is he a warmongerer?

Well, the whole bombing them part tends to suggest it.

He has tried to reach peace deals and Iran failed to agree.

Has he? Or has he spouted a load of shite?

If only there were some mutually beneficial arrangements in place, which would have Iran give their highly enriched uranium over and agree to inspections from the IAEA and UN, to a more intrusive level than legally required.

Iran could have had frozen assets unlocked and sold their oil on the international market again.

Oh wait, that was the case! So what happened?

Oh yes, last time round,Trump reversed all that for no reason other than, "Ug, Iran bad! Smash Iran! Nuclear bad! Ug!"

Face it, the Israelis have been saying periodically for the last 30 years that Iran is 6 months to a year away from having a nuclear weapon. I don't want any more nuclear armed countries, but to be honest, they'd be mad not to be trying.

Do you want Iran to succeed in getting nuclear weapons?

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:49

Wars have intensified under Trumps 5 month term so far, look how things are going

savory · 22/06/2025 09:50

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:47

@snowmichael

ive reported your post as it is utterly sickening that you’re implying the gazans are well and absolutely thriving in fact

When someone says that they are either stupid or have lost all their humanity. I don't think they are stupid.

somewhereintheworld · 22/06/2025 09:50

There's been wars throughout history. Why do we have to have this? Why can't we all live in peace and harmony? Surely that's what any sane person wants.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:50

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:43

I’d prefer to those framing this in line with strong feelings on Israel on mn.

If those who are asking for ‘negotiating table’ are still saying Iran cannot have nuclear weapons that’s a reasonable position.

You seem to be saying Iran can have them as NK has not used them. There’s no way that’s robust enough reasoning. Anyone wanting Iran to develop nuclear weapons is a threat. They will be an outlier though in wanting that. Leaders are pretty much united on seeing the risk.

That is not what I am saying @EasternStandard. Please read my posts. I have said repeatedly that there is no evidence that Iran has NW and that they were in peaceful negotiations regarding this at the time of the Israeli attack.
I was simply taking this one step further because of the fact that you and others are repeatedly raising concerns. I was pointing out that, even in the 'worst case scenario' it does not mean that Iran or any other country will use their NW. The argument for NW (which I think should not exist anywhere, btw) has always been that they are a deterrent.

What makes you believe Netanyahu's accounts? Why do you think that Israel and the US attacking Iran will reduce the risk of further violence, whether in the ME or anywhere else? Why do you think that murdering civilians and mindless violence, just in case what Israel says is true is worthwhile?

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:51

@EasternStandard

that type of question “do you want Iran to succeed” needs to be called out for being moronic, utterly lazy and completely trying to shut down reason.

mrsrtobinson · 22/06/2025 09:52

Rosedreaming · 22/06/2025 09:26

They flew with mid air refuelling from Guam - didn't go via Diego Garcia.

Edited

I find it hard to believe that they were able to do this and overfly so many countries without being seen.

However, I will bow to your superior intelligence on this matter.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:52

AnnaBalfour · 22/06/2025 09:51

@EasternStandard

that type of question “do you want Iran to succeed” needs to be called out for being moronic, utterly lazy and completely trying to shut down reason.

It’s direct but many posts underplay the threat from Iran having nuclear weapons and that is more concerning to me than your ott post.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:53

The peaceful president. Wasn't someone quoting Tulsi Gabbard as a truthful authority earlier? Who was that?

x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1850654992975454219

Sofiewoo · 22/06/2025 09:53

Crystaltipsandalistaire · 22/06/2025 09:41

Years of threatening the west and usa casually bombs the heck out of them. There bluff has been called. What do you expect. Now, as for UK, let's see all those fighting age immigrants announce there allegiance to the county that is housing and feeding them or will they be out demonstrating? I can already guess.

Why would an immigrant need to support the foreign policy of the country they have citizenship in bombing a country they might be from? This is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

Not lease because you don’t understand the difference between an immigrant and an asylum seeker and you also seem to weirdly think the UK is full of people from Iran.

ifionlyhadacat · 22/06/2025 09:54

OMG have just seen a photo of the news conference on the BBC news website and those piggy little eyes look so excited.....I am really worried

FOJN · 22/06/2025 09:55

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:27

You can’t wish this Iranian threat away though. And longer it’s left the greater the threat. So you leave it a few years and Iran is further emboldened.

Why would that be a good thing?

According the Netanyahu the threat of a nuclear Iran has existed for over 30 years and yet here we are. You can't be surprised some of us are questioning the credibility of claims about Iran being an imminent threat. We have been lied to many, many times. I'd rather we had concrete evidence that Iran was developing nuclear weapons before we think about starting a war and even then it should be a last resort.

The 2003 invasion of Iraq was justified by claims they had weapons which would reach London in 45 minutes but that was a lie. Why would you believe the claims about Iran now?

The people beating the drum for war are rarely those who would volunteer to go and fight in one or be happy to see people they care about being conscripted.

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:55

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:50

That is not what I am saying @EasternStandard. Please read my posts. I have said repeatedly that there is no evidence that Iran has NW and that they were in peaceful negotiations regarding this at the time of the Israeli attack.
I was simply taking this one step further because of the fact that you and others are repeatedly raising concerns. I was pointing out that, even in the 'worst case scenario' it does not mean that Iran or any other country will use their NW. The argument for NW (which I think should not exist anywhere, btw) has always been that they are a deterrent.

What makes you believe Netanyahu's accounts? Why do you think that Israel and the US attacking Iran will reduce the risk of further violence, whether in the ME or anywhere else? Why do you think that murdering civilians and mindless violence, just in case what Israel says is true is worthwhile?

I don’t listen to BN. I listen to analysts on the radio who talk about where Iran is and what the threat is.

SinnerBoy · 22/06/2025 09:57

EasternStandard · Today 09:49

No, of course I don't want them to have a nuclear bomb, as I said in my previous post.

I said they'd be mad not to be trying for it.

rainingsnoring · 22/06/2025 09:58

EasternStandard · 22/06/2025 09:55

I don’t listen to BN. I listen to analysts on the radio who talk about where Iran is and what the threat is.

Which analysts and on what radio station? The BBC have been gagged on this ongoing Israeli issue and are absolutely not independent on many others.This is well known.

Please listen to some people who actually know what they are talking about such as Professor John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs.