Showing support for terrorism is illegal so why do people do it?

[Nowayyousure]

Well we all know it's illegal, don't we?

It happens though. The flags, the signs, the slogans, the chants, what is said etc.

Kneecap was charged on supporting terrorism. I understand that the charges relate to things like waving the Hezbollah flag and shouting in support of terrorist organisations.

He has been bailed pending trial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo

I’m sure there were attempted assassinations.

Is is possible to think that …

…The Manchester Arena Bomb was terrorism

..The Hamas attack on the music festival was terrorism
… Netanyahu's continued attacks on Gaza are terrorism

All involved the slaughter of innocent people, to propel someone’s political gain.

Many believe without the IRA. Ireland would continue to be ruled by Britain. I don't condone the violence and murders, however it was a civil war, their opposition UDA etc were financed by the UK government.

Exactly

The number of idiots who don't like a band who speak the truth is really troubling isn't it

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You're being a little disingenuous here. If you truly believe those things are comparable to slaughtering entire groups with guns and knives, rejoicing in the fear you inflict and proudly broadcasting it to the world, raping young women and shooting them in the head halfway through the act, taking young women hostage and announcing them as sex slaves, then you might want to do some soul-searching. These are all things that Hamas recorded themselves doing or testimony from survivors of Oct 7th.

One of my grandfathers would have been called a terrorist if the word had existed back in the day. The other grandfather would have been a strong 'terrorist' supporter, as would both of my grandmothers.

As a PP quoted - 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'.

What did they say that you think is the truth?

I’m not being disingenuous. My point is that you cannot continuously move definitions according to your own inclinations. Because according to all the posters who have made some reference to what they believe terrorism is on this thread, the suffragettes, Hamas, Israel and the British government would all fit the bill. The definition has to be an absolute otherwise it’s meaningless.

The actions may differ but the intent remains the same.

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But interestingly enough, the british powers that be don't seem to agree with you, given they completely ignore that behaviour in NI every year.

I never moved definitions, nor did I disagree that arson or bombing by the suffragettes would be classed as a terrorist act. I still think it was a stupid comparison to draw and made in bad faith.

So if you think all of the above are detrimental to woman in the west (I agree btw that they are issues that need to be dealt with) you must surely think it’s worse for the women in Iran? No?…..

The reason Kneecap were bigging up Hamas/Hezbollah was that they were drawing a parallel between those organisations and the IRA, suggesting that both are left wing freedom fighters opposing oppressors.

I dont think the vast majority of people on MN agree with or support Hamas or Hezbollah, though many support the people of Gaza.

Hamas are the government of Gaza which makes the situation more complex than eg the Manchester bomber, who represented noone. As Hamas do to an extent represent the people of Gaza (albeit that they killed much of the opposition which calls into question how legitimate they are).

Yeah, people who hate and murder Jews, opress women and throw gay people off of buildings are totally left wing freedom fighters.

Was your father involved in the rape, murder and kidnap of over a thousand people? Because if not I'm not sure the comparison works.

And governments who deliver collective punishment, create a blockade, bomb and kill hundreds and thousands of muslims and christians are just a peace loving government.

You don't think people are annoyed because they expressed support for two groups who exist at least partly to murder Jewish people?

I think it’s an uncomfortable truth that a lot of people struggle with to be honest. Our own governments would be labelled as terrorists by their own standards. The reason they are not is simply a matter of power. Not truth or integrity or humanity. So I do find it interesting that people are always so quick to yell “terrorist!” at others but not themselves.

We could get into all the raping, burning, pillaging that has been perpetrated by the West over many, many generations but admitting to our own barbarism is always more difficult.

Did I say that?

Can’t answer no? I wonder why…. It’s not just my questions you’ve avoided, tbf, because what really can you say…. “Womens rights in Iran are great” because that would be a blatant lie and make you look foolish.

I don’t like the laws surrounding abortion in some US states and I worry about the rights of women in that situation but aside from that, woman’s rights in America are significantly better that those poor women in Iran.

Except it is usually the acts of terrorism that convince others to apply diplomacy and political will.

Catholics in NI marched peacefully to protest at their lack of civil rights. The british army shot at them and killed 14 innocents. Similar atrocities happened elsewhere. Previous marches, before the army arrived, resulted in the RUC beating the crap out of the marchers. Nobody in officialdom in the UK gave a shit about the lack of civil rights for catholics until the PIRA campaign began to take effect.

I'm sure on the news yesterday, they said that Kneecap are still appearing at Glastonbury @Nowayyousure

I agree the west they could be better for sure, but I think there are significantly better than those in Iran and the like

Well you clearly didn’t.

My responses are neither for nor against any regime to be honest. I am more interested in highlighting racism and hypocrisy. And the idea that nuclear weapons are safer in the hands of someone like Trump versus Khamenei is laughable. So again: why should Western leaders be “allowed” to have nuclear weapons but Middle Eastern leaders not?