MPs vote to decriminalise abortion

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AIBU to be thrilled! Sorry if there’s already a thread, couldn’t see one.

24+ weeks is a viable life - so in your opinion, the woman matters more.

That's your view, and I disagree

This is not an extreme law, and polling indicates that a majority of the public are in favour of decriminalising abortion.

the woman matters more.

Yes

Totally agree with this and your other pp @hamstersarse

I also think it sets a dangerous precedent to politicise abortion in this way.

The new clause will not change any law regarding the provision of abortion services within a healthcare setting, including but not limited to the time limit, telemedicine, the grounds for abortion, or the requirement for two doctors' approval.

It was backed by all the main abortion providers, as well as 180 MPs from across the Commons and 50 organisations including the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG).

@Hoooray

You're referring to polling by abortion campaign groups. Neutral polling shows that only 8% of people want the current laws loosened.

If this is your feeling then campaign for children with life limiting diagnoses like trisomy 13 and trisomy 18 to receive life saving care because most get palliative care at most. My son was barely treated as a human anymore by doctors when we got his diagnosis.
And it's them who push termination on lots of parents who wrongly call the condition incompatible with life.

When has abortion ever not been political?

According to YouGov (2023):

'By 52% to 21%, Britons say that women who have abortions outside of the rules should not face criminal prosecution.'

'three quarters of Britons (74%) support changing the law to enshrine a legal right to abortion. Only 11% are opposed.'

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/47568-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-abortion-in-2023

Of course she matters more than a foetus. Be it at 12 weeks or 24 weeks.

so you support women who don't want to be pregnant being used as an incubator and forcibly operated on against their will just to preserve a foetus?

Which part was stupid? That late term abortions are abhorrent?

@Kreepture "so you support women who don't want to be pregnant being used as an incubator and forcibly operated on against their will just to preserve a foetus?"
But post-24 week abortions without medical need will still be illegal (just not criminal) if the bill passes. So effectively, yes, the law does and will still say that if your pregnancy reaches 24 weeks without you having taken steps to terminate it, you do have to act as an incubator for the remaining 16 weeks, even if you would rather not. You could say that by not terminating in the permissible period the woman has assumed a duty to the unborn child to carry it to term.

perhaps, but with medical advances, there are babies under 24weeks that are surviving.

There are also those who find out at the 20 weeks scans that their babies have severe disabilites, and those who find out the babies have downs that are still permitted to abort, this poster would advocate for them being forced to carry to term.

So do you agree with those posters, that it’s disgusting to abort a baby FOR ANY REASON late term? You agree that women should be forced to carry babies to full term with disabilities that are not compatible with life? That they should be forced to give birth to babies that will suffer before dying shortly after birth? That women should be forced to carry to full term endangering their own lives? You agree that it’s disgusting that I had to make this choice to potentially save my own life and also ensure that my baby wasn’t born suffering, having to live a very short life of only a few hours and die a painful death?

Of course?

You are not more important than a 25 week old foetus? How do you judge that you are more important?

Seems to me that narcissism is taking you over.

It you believe that foetuses should be aborted due to disability near full term why draw the line there why not 2/3 week old babies once it is easier to access the impact.

If you are happy to die for your 25 week old foetus, you are free to do so, your body, your choice.

With an evolutionary lens, your ancestors will almost without doubt died for their children, eventually enabling you to live.

Why is that so odd to you?

Is that what you took from my post?

It's already decriminalised in NI, the rest of the UK is just catching up.

There are a small number of late term abortions due to Downs Syndrome. It isn't many (!) - around 18-20 a year - but I think that is hugely controversial and has many moral pitfalls.

Many women indeed died in childbirth, is that something you would like to return to?

Because a 25 week foetus is in a woman's body and her body is hers.

How is a 25 week foetus more important than a woman?