Iran - full evacuation of Tehran?

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Genuinely finding it hard to sleep now having seen the news that Tehran - a population of 10 million are being urgently advised to leave. Is anyone else feeling very concerned (and nervous) watching what is now taking place in the ME? It is being reported that Israel have ‘full ariel control’ of Iran?

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-has-full-control-of-tehrans-airspace-over-100-missile-launchers-destroyed-idf-says/

www.euronews.com/2025/06/17/trump-hints-at-major-israeli-offensive-as-he-urges-all-of-tehran-to-evacuate-immediately

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2025/6/17/live-israel-iran-trade-attacks-trump-orders-residents-of-tehran-to-flee

Are there a lot of Israelis on here? In which case, I’m assuming there’s a lot of propaganda and limited access to the news? How can so many people not know? Are their relatives in other countries not telling them?

I just can’t bear to think that these pro-Netanyahu comments are coming from people that I could possibly know. It feels like that deep sadness of when you know you live amongst Stephen Lawrence murderers, Damilola Taylor murderers, Southport murderer, people that riot and spout racism. I don’t want to live anywhere near people like you on this thread. No one should ever justify cruelty, or place any civilian’s life at a higher value than others. There are no words to describe the despair I feel at what Netanyahu has done and how our government has endorsed It.

I can’t read anymore. There should be no debate about any of this. We’re taking about people, often children, being murdered. They had hopes and dreams, favourite superhero’s, and sweaty heads as they fall asleep.

Rational debate means allowing other people to have opinions you don't like without characterising them as hysterical. See also responding to posts you don't like with: 'You OK?' It's not big and it's not clever, etc.

I know, I'm half Zimbabwean. Not sure how your second point is relevant?

@Toadstool101 You are referring to Hamas right?? Right??

Because unless you have forgotten, over 1200 Israelis were murdered on Oct 7th because they were Jewish.
The epitome of a racist murder, 1200 times over.

I don't hear you condemning Hamas in your post.

On the first anniversary of the 7th October attack on Israel Keir Starmer spoke in the Chamber -
"Today we mark a year since the horrific attack on Israel by the terrorists of Hamas. It was the bloodiest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust—a day of sorrow, a day of grief. Over 1,000 people were massacred, with hundreds taken hostage, in an attack born of hatred, targeted not just at individuals, but at Jewish communities, at their way of life and at the state of Israel—the symbol of Jewish security to the world. Fifteen British citizens were brutally slain that day. Another has since died in captivity. Our thoughts today are with the Jewish people around the world, the Jewish community here in the United Kingdom, and all those we lost a year ago."

Are there a lot of Israelis on here? In which case, I’m assuming there’s a lot of propaganda

imho, having spent many years under the same username…yes.

The tell tale signs are those that don’t actually contribute in any intelligent way, and aim to drown out threads by whataboutery, misrepresentation of others comments and sheer bandwidth of posts.

They change name often.

Those are just my observation though.

No idea, though the Israeli government did pay YouTube millions of dollars to play ads showing blonde Israelis compared to hijab wearing brown Palestinians.

Not at all.

"Rational debate" is dealing with facts not throwing emotive, inflammatory rhetoric about.

If you don't like my posts, then don't engage - simple..

Has nobody read @Letstheriveranswer's post? I scanned forward to see the responses and it has not had a single reply. Please, thinking people (I recognise some names) read it again, slowly.

@HellsBalls @alikelylass Piers Morgan has asked the question ‘do you condemn Hamas?’ so many times that it’s started to lose all meaning and respect in my ears. It’s become a slogan to justify retaliatory murder.

OF COURSE everyone condemned Hamas, what an idiotic question. I cried on 7th October thinking of the horror those people must have felt. But then the Israeli government murdered 50x that number of Palestinians. They still are. Shot 50 unarmed Palestinians waiting for aid today, in fact. Murdered 8 of a doctor’s children a couple of weeks back. Use quadcopters to kill off any children that survive blasts. Palestinians, a small population by the world’s standards, has the highest ratio of child amputees and orphans. Israel has a soft spot for murdering and maiming children. And whenever that’s raised you STILL ask ‘but do you condemn Hamas?’

Yes. Carry on. Forget I mentioned it. I forgot about 7th October, but when I remember the empathy I feel completely justifies all of the above.

Not when you're the one attempting to define the terms of the debate and therefore control it. It's boringly transparent. But you're right, no need to respond to your posts from now on.

I have found something extremely unsettling. This is an old video of Netanyahu laying out how he threw Oslo Accord. This is one video BBC and Fox News wouldn’t share ever.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mvqCWvi-nFo&list=WL&index=16

@Toadstool101 "And whenever that’s raised you STILL ask ‘but do you condemn Hamas?’"

That's because it's Hamas that's responsible for the death toll in Gaza.
Anyone that's saying the Israelis are only to blame for this, I strongly disagree with because Hamas, as an organization is operating in civilian areas, densely populated civilian areas, in hospitals, under hospitals, in schools, under schools with human shields.
They're doing so intentionally both to try to protect their fighters, but also to ensure maximum PR information war damage on the Israelis when they target Hamas so that they have to be responsible for killing civilians.

The fact that Hamas is actively doing that - putting their civilians in maximum danger, is to help ensure that they can achieve their own ideological and political goals, it means that they are responsible for deaths of Palestinian civilians.

Hamas has already said it doesn't want to govern Gaza - the area (and it's people) are just a means to an end.

https://mondoweiss.net/2025/02/exclusive-senior-hamas-leader-says-movement-isnt-interested-in-ruling-gaza-but-laying-down-arms-remains-a-red-line/

God, you are still pulling that one. 😂

So you don't believe what the Hamas leader said?

OK.

It's a pity that the narrator narrates over a crucial part of what he was saying. But I don't think anybody is denying that Netanyahu is extremely tactical and crafty and knows how to find loopholes and push the envelope. The whole middle east is full of this, it's how everything is done. Do you think similar conversations are not being held on the other side? But there is a broader landscape that is not just down to Bibi. Focussing on Bibi's flaws, of which most but his most ardent supporters will agree there are many, is just detracting from the larger geopolitical landscape.

Israel also fund Hamas, strange world

How Israel helped prop up Hamas for decades | Analyst News

I hate all of this conflict, as do you all too. Nobody wants to know that babies and toddlers are being caught in conflict. But there is sound thinking behind the other ME states not taking refugees. Primarily that they don't offer any benefits or social security. If you go to work in Dubai (and I know lots of people there), you pay your own way-- the rent on your home, and your health insurance, or your employer does. If you lose that back up, then you are on your way to the airport and going home.

The Gulf states are never going to accept Gaza refugees.

More info here - https://www.dw.com/en/will-hamas-really-give-up-power/a-72336994

and here - https://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/190520251

One Hamas person said that to a news source on one occasion to make Hamas look like the good guys.
We don't know what is really going on behind closed doors.

Watching an American president publicly threaten to murder a foreign leader unless he does what he wants is one of the most batshit crazy things I’ve ever seen

Let me Google that for you. In the US, a warrant is required if the crime wasn't committed in the officer's presence or if the arrest is to be made in the suspect's home.

Warrantless Arrests:
Probable Cause: If the police have probable cause to believe a person has committed a crime, especially a felony, they can make a warrantless arrest.
Exigent Circumstances: These are emergency situations where immediate action is needed, like preventing the destruction of evidence or a suspect's escape.
In Public: For felonies, police can generally make a warrantless arrest in public if they have probable cause.

Same as the UK, a police officer can arrest you without a court warrant.

practically all of Israel’s military apparatus is situated in residential areas. Their command and control centre is rumoured to be beneath a hospital. The irony

Trump is ‘bigly’ driving MAGA insane. It is the only part of it all that is somewhat funny.

And so is the Ayatollah threatening to anihilate the State of Israel and having a countdown with a stonking great clock

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-al-quds-day-protest-clock-president-hassan-rouhani-a7806056.html