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To be oblivious to the issue people have with JKR? I thought she was a feminist. What have I missed?

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laughingnow · 15/06/2025 14:05

People have warned me not to state the view above as ‘it’s more complicated’

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sashh · 16/06/2025 12:01

Dontlletmedownbruce · 15/06/2025 15:16

The hate seems to be mostly keyboard warriors, and dare I say it, people who don't have much going on in their own lives. I only experienced it once as I'm not on social media or twitter etc. Ds goes to a hobby club, mostly quiet tech types and the classes are run by young men, helpful lads but not so strong on social skills. One day DS turns up in a Harry Potter T shirt and was told by a leader that he shouldn't support HP, when he asked why he was told JK is basically a bad person and homophobic. I said i had never heard this, I heard some people disagree with her views on certain things but the 'homophobic' angle was news to me. I knew damn well where this was going as I'd read her essay and some articles on it. These guys all started shouting the most awful things, one guy who had never spoken or indicated that he even had a personality was in DSs face talking so passionately about his hate for her. This went on a while, like they were bonding over their views. I don't think any of them read her essay and what they were saying sounded like a total misinterpretation, it was eye opening. I chatted with DS afterwards but the whole incident kind of scared me. How many more people out there are like this?

Fwiw I make a point of never watching anything with Emma Watson or Danielle Radcliffe anymore and have zero respect for them.

There is a prize of £1 million if you can find anything that she has said or written that is transphobic.

Actual transphobia, not the 'words are literal violence' and the 'Recuing poorly bunnies is transphobic'.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 12:31

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 11:26

Because it is a sexual orientation and more than the sexual equivalent of 'dry January'. It is something that is not much understood and that people get bullied over, like with any other difference in fact, because our society is still so incredibly normative.

It's not a sexual orientation according to the Equality Act.

Say, for the sake of argument, that it is one. What does this extra understanding and awareness achieve? Asexuals have all the same rights as everyone else. Someone who is going to bully you for not having sex is not going to stop just because of Asexuality Awareness Day. If anything it just provides another excuse to mock.

Most of us live in the grown up world where we accept that not everyone is super nice all the time and sometimes we are going to be confronted by other people who are unpleasant or whose opinions offend us. Adults learn to brush these things off and give them as little attention as they deserve. Adults realise that having eleventy billion awareness days is not necessarily going to achieve anything and may indeed be counterproductive.

I'm not campaigning for a gender critical feminism awareness day, even though it would actually be really useful for the general public to understand what we believe and why it's not legal to discriminate against us.

Shedmistress · 16/06/2025 12:35

sashh · 16/06/2025 12:01

There is a prize of £1 million if you can find anything that she has said or written that is transphobic.

Actual transphobia, not the 'words are literal violence' and the 'Recuing poorly bunnies is transphobic'.

Just to confirm, to my knowledge nobody has ever won this prize to date, correct?

Waitwhat23 · 16/06/2025 12:50

JHound · 16/06/2025 11:15

“Working class doorstep.”

You learn a new expression everyday!

I was a bit more 😐at that expression than seeing it as a learning moment tbh.

Unpleasantly classist. And with just a soupcon of anti women sentiment.

And from someone saying that other people are 'bitchy-bitchy'..

Persephoknee · 16/06/2025 13:00

The issue is that histrionic people have loud voices on the internet. And that’s all it is. They are saying ridiculous things, loudly and repeatedly. If it were real life, you’d ignore them. Histrionic personality disorder is a real thing. People that have it don’t like to admit it.

Lostcat · 16/06/2025 13:01

Oh the faux innocence

🙄

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:01

Waitwhat23 · 16/06/2025 12:50

I was a bit more 😐at that expression than seeing it as a learning moment tbh.

Unpleasantly classist. And with just a soupcon of anti women sentiment.

And from someone saying that other people are 'bitchy-bitchy'..

I actually did not understand that entire person - more gobsmacked the term exists but then I am
still waiting for PP to post their definition.

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 12:31

It's not a sexual orientation according to the Equality Act.

Say, for the sake of argument, that it is one. What does this extra understanding and awareness achieve? Asexuals have all the same rights as everyone else. Someone who is going to bully you for not having sex is not going to stop just because of Asexuality Awareness Day. If anything it just provides another excuse to mock.

Most of us live in the grown up world where we accept that not everyone is super nice all the time and sometimes we are going to be confronted by other people who are unpleasant or whose opinions offend us. Adults learn to brush these things off and give them as little attention as they deserve. Adults realise that having eleventy billion awareness days is not necessarily going to achieve anything and may indeed be counterproductive.

I'm not campaigning for a gender critical feminism awareness day, even though it would actually be really useful for the general public to understand what we believe and why it's not legal to discriminate against us.

Is the Equality Act (which does not exist globally) the final word on what is and is not a sexual
orientation?

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 12:31

It's not a sexual orientation according to the Equality Act.

Say, for the sake of argument, that it is one. What does this extra understanding and awareness achieve? Asexuals have all the same rights as everyone else. Someone who is going to bully you for not having sex is not going to stop just because of Asexuality Awareness Day. If anything it just provides another excuse to mock.

Most of us live in the grown up world where we accept that not everyone is super nice all the time and sometimes we are going to be confronted by other people who are unpleasant or whose opinions offend us. Adults learn to brush these things off and give them as little attention as they deserve. Adults realise that having eleventy billion awareness days is not necessarily going to achieve anything and may indeed be counterproductive.

I'm not campaigning for a gender critical feminism awareness day, even though it would actually be really useful for the general public to understand what we believe and why it's not legal to discriminate against us.

Increased awareness means better understanding, it's that simple. I don't think adults should just swallow any shit thrown at them, no. For example you believe your views on feminism are valid and important, do you not? You emphatically reject trans-women in female toilets because that's something that matters to you. I would suggest that if enough people feel asexuality deserves an awareness day you should just tolerate it? Respect is never a one-way street.

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:12

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 11:26

Because it is a sexual orientation and more than the sexual equivalent of 'dry January'. It is something that is not much understood and that people get bullied over, like with any other difference in fact, because our society is still so incredibly normative.

I saw a beautiful account from somebody who wrote how her asexuality had caused her constant issues in her romantic life, (in her view) contributed to her divorce and led her to constantly seek medical / professional assistance to “fix” what she thought must be “wrong” with.

Coming across the concept of asexuality meant she finally understood who she was, there was nothing wrong with her and she felt she may have navigated life differently had she known earlier.

It’s just weird to me that people are so opposed to people like this woman being made of information that can benefit her or even opposed to raising awareness that there are more sexualities in the world than “heterosexual”.

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:15

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:12

I saw a beautiful account from somebody who wrote how her asexuality had caused her constant issues in her romantic life, (in her view) contributed to her divorce and led her to constantly seek medical / professional assistance to “fix” what she thought must be “wrong” with.

Coming across the concept of asexuality meant she finally understood who she was, there was nothing wrong with her and she felt she may have navigated life differently had she known earlier.

It’s just weird to me that people are so opposed to people like this woman being made of information that can benefit her or even opposed to raising awareness that there are more sexualities in the world than “heterosexual”.

Exactly. How could better understanding and empathy ever be a negative...

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:15

I'm not campaigning for a gender critical feminism awareness day, even though it would actually be really useful for the general public to understand what we believe and why it's not legal to discriminate against us.

And? That’s you.
Evidently those whose sexual orientation is asexual felt differently and now they have their
awareness day.

greencartbluecart · 16/06/2025 13:17

GC and asexual are like totally unrelated isn’t that right? You could be both? Or neither

IButtleSir · 16/06/2025 13:19

VickyEadieofThigh · 15/06/2025 14:17

A lot of people have simply accepted the option that JKR is "transphobic" (I've recently seen suggestions she's also "homophobic", which - as I'm a gay woman - I find hilarious) without any actuproof.

My American friend said she was "transphobic" and when I asked for examples, she admitted that she'd simply been told this by other friends.

For a 'homophobic' woman, JKR sure is friends with a lot of lesbians... and loved by even more of us!

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:19

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:15

Exactly. How could better understanding and empathy ever be a negative...

I think people just think ignorance is good?

More knowledge and understanding of something that harms nobody being seen as bad or unnecessary will always be weird to me.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 16/06/2025 13:20

DialSquare · 16/06/2025 11:17

What’s a working class doorstep?

I wouldn’t mind but the poster that said it was complaining about posters being bitchy

hypocrisy much?

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:21

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:19

I think people just think ignorance is good?

More knowledge and understanding of something that harms nobody being seen as bad or unnecessary will always be weird to me.

Indeed. I think the issue lies with the wholesale rejection of 'woke'. So now the discourse is increasingly: awareness = woke = bad, whereas ignorance = no-nonsense = good.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 13:23

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:08

Increased awareness means better understanding, it's that simple. I don't think adults should just swallow any shit thrown at them, no. For example you believe your views on feminism are valid and important, do you not? You emphatically reject trans-women in female toilets because that's something that matters to you. I would suggest that if enough people feel asexuality deserves an awareness day you should just tolerate it? Respect is never a one-way street.

Yes, I do believe my views about feminism are important.

No, I am not demanding an awareness day (even though increased awareness would be helpful) because I am an adult.

I do not think increased awareness of asexuals is helpful. If you need other people to understand why you aren't having sex, perhaps that's a you problem and you need to engage in some self growth to understand that it really isn't anybody else's business and 99% of people don't care either way.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 13:23

greencartbluecart · 16/06/2025 13:17

GC and asexual are like totally unrelated isn’t that right? You could be both? Or neither

Yes, totally unrelated, why?

greencartbluecart · 16/06/2025 13:24

Just trying to follow the thread

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 13:26

JHound · 16/06/2025 13:12

I saw a beautiful account from somebody who wrote how her asexuality had caused her constant issues in her romantic life, (in her view) contributed to her divorce and led her to constantly seek medical / professional assistance to “fix” what she thought must be “wrong” with.

Coming across the concept of asexuality meant she finally understood who she was, there was nothing wrong with her and she felt she may have navigated life differently had she known earlier.

It’s just weird to me that people are so opposed to people like this woman being made of information that can benefit her or even opposed to raising awareness that there are more sexualities in the world than “heterosexual”.

I mean, if you are asexual and you want to be in a romantic relationship then surely you need to find a partner who is also asexual.

Otherwise, yeah, it's going to cause problems in your relationship.

Why is this a revelation?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 13:27

greencartbluecart · 16/06/2025 13:24

Just trying to follow the thread

I was giving gender critical feminism as an example of something where society could actually benefit from increased awareness.

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:27

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 13:23

Yes, I do believe my views about feminism are important.

No, I am not demanding an awareness day (even though increased awareness would be helpful) because I am an adult.

I do not think increased awareness of asexuals is helpful. If you need other people to understand why you aren't having sex, perhaps that's a you problem and you need to engage in some self growth to understand that it really isn't anybody else's business and 99% of people don't care either way.

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's irrelevant and even less that it needs belittling.

IButtleSir · 16/06/2025 13:29

Hibernatingtilspring · 15/06/2025 17:32

JKR has made life very difficult for women who present as more masculine, whether she intended to or not. She doesn't care about throwing some women under a bus, so I think she's a poor feminist for that reason.
I'm aware that's not a popular view on Mumsnet.
She's shown some pretty abhorrent bullying tactics on social media too, which in my view ruins any credibility she claims to have about standing up for minority people. You don't criticise others and copy their tactics at the same time.

What utter rubbish. Butch (I HATE the term 'masculine-presenting', as if short hair and trousers somehow belong to men) lesbians are generally gender critical, and JKR is friends with several high-profile butch feminists.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/06/2025 13:32

StandFirm · 16/06/2025 13:27

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's irrelevant and even less that it needs belittling.

Why do I need to understand why other people don't want to have sex?

It is irrelevant to literally everyone who is not affected by that person not wanting to have sex, which is arguably everyone except their partner.

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