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swimsong · 15/06/2025 12:51

OpheliaWasntMad · 15/06/2025 10:02

Blimey
It seems you blame the media / the far right and the ignorant general public rather than the authorities who turned a blind eye to the rapes of children and the perpetrators of the rapes?

It seems most people aren't aware that an enquiry was held and the ruling Conservative Party failed to act on its recommendations.

Regardless of this new enquiry, resources and training needs to be focused on prosecuting and convicting past and present grooming gangs - and preventing future similar crimes.

Already a lot has been achieved by putting a stop to the police's "They are just a bunch of young slappers" prejudiced mentality that interfered with investigations happening at all.

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 13:03

On those asking for ethnicity to be suppressed, there’s no point in doing an enquiry and leaving out information. The public will just say do it again.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 13:05

Everanewbie · 15/06/2025 12:51

It’s not just ethnicity. It appears be a small section of Pakistani decent that originated in rural tribal areas. What I have found particularly repulsive is how these gangs seem to be relatives, passing girls between bothers, fathers, uncles and cousins. While grooming gangs and abusers exist in all ethnicities and faiths, I’ve yet to see anything on this scale that involves whole families. Furthermore, the families and communities seem not to be ashamed of this behaviour. At least abusers in British culture are shunned and effectively banished.

See my answer above.

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:07

cumbriaisbest · 14/06/2025 21:10

Pointless. Pandering to the racists.

Nazir Afsal said it will retraumatise survivors.

🤔Surely it was "pandering to the racists" that enabled the grooming gangs in question to exist for so long? And that grievous error of judgement will hopefully be part of what this inquiry will pick apart in the heartfelt hope that something on this scale can never ever happen again.

SoSoLong · 15/06/2025 13:12

Has there ever been an inquiry in recent memory whose findings were not known in advance? It will take years, will delay putting in place any measures "whilst we are awaiting the findings of the inquiry" - just a way of kicking the can down the road.

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:15

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 12:40

You haven't explained why it's helpful.

We should be focusing on why thousands of vulnerable girls were blamed for being victimised. These men preyed on them because they could, they acted with impunity for decades.

The victims were let down by every agency put in place to protect them: the care system, the police and social workers. We need to know what changes are being put in place to make sure this doesn't happen again.

I think that you should be prosecuted if you don't act on child abuse and I think that these agencies need to be overhauled if they're not effectively protecting children. Focusing on the ethnicity of the perpetrators, isn't particularly helpful.

I agree with everything except the last sentence - of course the ethnicity of the vast majority of the perpetrators is relevant - there are two sides to every equation and to focus only on "the girls side" is an indefensible position - ALL the factors involved in this abhorrent situation must be unpicked and examined. It is the only way to go forwards honestly and usefully.

HRTQueen · 15/06/2025 13:16

Of course this needs a full enquiry

hundreds of children were abused and seriously let down by authorities

this isn’t pandering to racists we need to know excatly why authorities have not dealt with grooming gangs as they should have done.

There won’t be one answer it will be a number of issues and with some gangs culture and the culture of relationships with authorities shall come into that

in the very least we have a duty to not allow this to happen again or do our best for this not to happen again

Steakbreake · 15/06/2025 13:19

cumbriaisbest · 14/06/2025 21:10

Pointless. Pandering to the racists.

Nazir Afsal said it will retraumatise survivors.

What the fuck is this comment? Who gives a shit what he says? What does a 62 year old man know about all those girls being traumatised? A 62 year old man from the same country as most of the perpetrators?

Who died and made him king?

EmpressOfTheThread · 15/06/2025 13:19

Steakbreake · 15/06/2025 13:19

What the fuck is this comment? Who gives a shit what he says? What does a 62 year old man know about all those girls being traumatised? A 62 year old man from the same country as most of the perpetrators?

Who died and made him king?

Absolutely this x 💯

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 13:20

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:15

I agree with everything except the last sentence - of course the ethnicity of the vast majority of the perpetrators is relevant - there are two sides to every equation and to focus only on "the girls side" is an indefensible position - ALL the factors involved in this abhorrent situation must be unpicked and examined. It is the only way to go forwards honestly and usefully.

Could you explain why? I don't agree that the sole reason for the victimisation of these girls was ethnicity. I believe that these are criminal and paedophile gangs who preyed on vulnerable girls with impunity.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 13:24

Everanewbie · 15/06/2025 12:51

It’s not just ethnicity. It appears be a small section of Pakistani decent that originated in rural tribal areas. What I have found particularly repulsive is how these gangs seem to be relatives, passing girls between bothers, fathers, uncles and cousins. While grooming gangs and abusers exist in all ethnicities and faiths, I’ve yet to see anything on this scale that involves whole families. Furthermore, the families and communities seem not to be ashamed of this behaviour. At least abusers in British culture are shunned and effectively banished.

Give over! Abusers in British culture are not shunned or banished. Being accused of rape brings sympathy to the men as they cry they are falsely accused and it is the victim who is shunned and further abused for daring to accuse men of a crime.

EasternStandard · 15/06/2025 13:27

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:15

I agree with everything except the last sentence - of course the ethnicity of the vast majority of the perpetrators is relevant - there are two sides to every equation and to focus only on "the girls side" is an indefensible position - ALL the factors involved in this abhorrent situation must be unpicked and examined. It is the only way to go forwards honestly and usefully.

Agree. Labour have been treating the public with contempt on this but now they’ve u turned it all needs to be included.

Discomfort over information from pp won’t be a factor.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 13:27

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:15

I agree with everything except the last sentence - of course the ethnicity of the vast majority of the perpetrators is relevant - there are two sides to every equation and to focus only on "the girls side" is an indefensible position - ALL the factors involved in this abhorrent situation must be unpicked and examined. It is the only way to go forwards honestly and usefully.

The way forwards is to acknowledge the underlying issue of misogyny which I imagine will not be touched upon in any report.

SillyMillie90 · 15/06/2025 13:28

Things like this also make me go wtf - the U.K. Government is a part owner of Killing Kittens, a company which holds sex parties - meaning they have a financial interest in the company.

Our whole culture of how we view women needs looking at.

HRTQueen · 15/06/2025 13:29

White woman are not seen as being a pure as an Asian Muslim girl woman they are considered lesser

add to the mix white girls who are using drugs or drinking

that doesn’t mean that these men from some asian Muslim backgrounds wouldn’t abuse girls within their culture but that wasn’t as acceptable but to many it was/is acceptable to abuse white girls/woman

Men abusing women and girls that do not represent their mothers/sister/ wives is not restricted to just Asian Muslim men

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 13:30

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 11:56

Why is the ethnicity of the perpetrators important?

It speaks to cultural and religious values where non-muslim girls - ask hindu and Sikh communities about this- are considered fair game. mind you. I am not discounting the fact that muslim girls are abused too.

PinkImbrella · 15/06/2025 13:32

From the moment it started being reported, these victims should not have been referred to as girls as unfortunately "girl" has become synonymous with "woman" in our culture.

They were and are children.

Im glad these paedophiles are getting their comeuppance.

SquashedMallow · 15/06/2025 13:37

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 13:24

Give over! Abusers in British culture are not shunned or banished. Being accused of rape brings sympathy to the men as they cry they are falsely accused and it is the victim who is shunned and further abused for daring to accuse men of a crime.

Bullshit.

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:38

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 13:20

Could you explain why? I don't agree that the sole reason for the victimisation of these girls was ethnicity. I believe that these are criminal and paedophile gangs who preyed on vulnerable girls with impunity.

Where did I say that "the sole reason for the victimisation of the girls was ethnicity" ????

What a weird post.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 13:38

SquashedMallow · 15/06/2025 13:37

Bullshit.

Bullshit that rapists lie to get away with it? Absolutely they do. In doing so they label the female as a liar who then gets abused.

Are you saying victims of rape are liars? So explain how a 14 year old as arrested for 'falsely accusing' her rapist of rape despite him admitting the act took place and she had injuries to her neck and thighs? Explain how we have over 100 arrests of rape victims per year for this?

Amazing you have never heard females being labelled as false accusers as it is all rapists say when accused. Witness intimidation is a tactic that is used the world over.

My friend had her neck slit and was stabbed 71 times when she reported rape but yeah it is bullshit!

Whosenameisthis · 15/06/2025 13:39

swimsong · 15/06/2025 12:51

It seems most people aren't aware that an enquiry was held and the ruling Conservative Party failed to act on its recommendations.

Regardless of this new enquiry, resources and training needs to be focused on prosecuting and convicting past and present grooming gangs - and preventing future similar crimes.

Already a lot has been achieved by putting a stop to the police's "They are just a bunch of young slappers" prejudiced mentality that interfered with investigations happening at all.

Hang on- if there was an enquiry that wasn’t acted on…

how has “a lot been achieved” and police’s mentality changed?

I work in this area of safeguarding and there’s been many procedures put in a place as a direct result of the first report.

the most obvious being a checklist for missing teenagers, and if any grooming risks are flagged the police immediately escalate to high risk and all resources are used to find them.

from my “on the ground” pov another review is pointless and a complete waste of money, repeating work done. We know what the issue was and we have taken steps to ensure it is prevented going forward.

invest the money in social care and providing support to teen girls in care instead.

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:40

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 13:27

The way forwards is to acknowledge the underlying issue of misogyny which I imagine will not be touched upon in any report.

As I've said ALL the factors involved must be examined.

Fetaface · 15/06/2025 13:41

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:40

As I've said ALL the factors involved must be examined.

We all know it won't be! We would like it to be but sadly people will not acknowledge this is the root cause of all of it.

Bollihobs · 15/06/2025 13:44

Steakbreake · 15/06/2025 13:19

What the fuck is this comment? Who gives a shit what he says? What does a 62 year old man know about all those girls being traumatised? A 62 year old man from the same country as most of the perpetrators?

Who died and made him king?

💯 agree - not sure why anyone is even tolerating let alone condoning a man telling us how female victims will feel about anything......

MiloMinderbinder925 · 15/06/2025 13:45

miraxxx · 15/06/2025 13:30

It speaks to cultural and religious values where non-muslim girls - ask hindu and Sikh communities about this- are considered fair game. mind you. I am not discounting the fact that muslim girls are abused too.

And the cultural values of the vast majority of grooming gangs?

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