There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/14/keir-starmer-national-inquiry-grooming-gangs

Posting here for traffic

YABU: this was unnecessary
YANBU: this was the right thing to do

Was your account hacked yesterday?

Please don’t ever forget Owen Jones denial -

No, it's an important question.

This was Labour’s line too until a few days ago.

Well if the Casey report doesn't answer that question for you then I won't convince you. So that's the end of it. Fortunately I am relieved that we have some of the common but ignored knowledges published in an official source that also puts a spotlight on these practiced diversionary tactics and misinformation which exist in often cited but grossly untrustworthy earlier reports.

The data does show most are white

Which data set are you referring to?
From the Casey report;

Presenting the data with a large percentage of unknown data skews the figures (as we show in chapter 4). For example, in the COCAD data for perpetrators of group based offending in 2023, self-defined ethnicity is 88% White when ‘unknowns’ are excluded, but 28% White when the unknowns are included. We can be confident that at least 28% of group-based offenders are White; but we cannot reach a conclusion that 88% are White overall.

Gosh, listening to @MiloMinderbinder925 doubling down is like reliving Darren Jones claiming he was 'taken out of context' on Question Time.

Right? Is that you Lucy? 🧐

I'm not sure what you mean. Which of the ten or so reports were grossly untrustworthy?

I don't understand how the Casey report adds anything regarding ethnicity that we didn't already know. There's barely any reliable data - we already knew that. People didn't do their jobs because of racial tension- we already knew that. I already knew that as there have been documentaries, newspaper investigations and many reports into it all saying the same thing.

Gosh, how very amusing.

But agreeing that ethnicity IS a factor, means you ARE in agreement with everyone else posting on here! As for your belief that misogyny is the main factor - what do you mean exactly?

I'm not sure what you mean. Which of the ten or so reports were grossly untrustworthy?

I don't believe you have read the report. I don't believe you are posting in good faith. And, I'm out.

Christ. That is a nightmare for the survivors. they have even put in a stipulation that the survivors can be "compelled" to testify. which is horrific: a sure way to take yet more choices out of these poor womens hands. People want to move on from this, not spend the next however many years getting it dragged about over, and over, and over again. And for what, yet more money wasted and zero consequences at the end

You want it not to be examined anymore? It will be by the looks of it.

I don't agree that ethnicity is the main factor. I believe that the reason these girls weren't believed is because of misogyny ie seeing women and girls as less than.

In her report, Casey talks about adultification which has been a problem since time immemorial. Treating girls like they're much older than they are and not seeing them as children. She describes the victims being treated as though they consented, when children legally can't consent. One social worker described a 10 year old as a "prostitute" - that's not prostitution, that's child sexual abuse.

These girls were treated as "trash" by the people meant to be safeguarding them and many were prosecuted. This is a reflection of the misogyny deeply ingrained in society which has a rape conviction rate of 1%.

Oh well.

Yes . This is the horrifying truth. People in power putting their political careers before the safety of vulnerable children.
This is why the ethnicities of the perpetrators is so relevant - it’s not about racism it’s about authorities prioritising protecting their electoral interests over and above vulnerable children with no voting power.
@MiloMinderbinder925 can you see that?

I agree that this is entirely valid. But I don’t see how you can argue that ethnicity was not an equal factor.

Most are in agreement with BC thankfully. One poster won’t alter what happens next.

Ah! Owen of the Chavs: the ‘demonisation of the working class’ -Jones.. Champion and spokesperson until the realisation there was little political currency to be had for sticking up for the focus of his first book.

He's much more progressive now, you see; there are worthier victims of the “culture wars” who are more deserving of his solidarity.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/17/public-must-keep-calm-over-ethnicity-of-grooming-gang-offenders-says-louise-casey

I absolutely agree with your point on how these girls were treated by the authorities and how they were silenced. It's imperative that there is a deep dive into the complete failure of 'safe guarding '. But these attitudes were not only held by authorities, but were widespread amongst the perpetrators too. I don't think you can look at one part without the other; that would serve no purpose.

Yes - absolutely. The anger should not be directed at whole communities. The anger is for the perpetrators and the ( non Pakistani) people who covered up and turned a blind eye .

They are held in society as a whole. Victim blaming is a major issue which has its root in misogyny. Over 80% of females who report rape are told it was their fault by their friends and family. That is a huge issue.

Girls are taught it is their responsibility to change their behaviour so not to be a victim from a young age because our victim blaming society tells females they are responsible for male behaviour from about the age of 4. So it is widespread by authorities, perpetrators and society as a whole.

Misogyny is the root that impacts on culture and cultural norms and religious actions. It is what a lot of culture and religion is based on. The act of FGM is based on misogyny and wanting to control females and their sex life. Marriage culture is based on misogyny that women are objects to be owned and given to men by other men. Some cultures pay for the woman, some cultures 'give them away' - free to a good home. The culture of women submitting to men is based on misogyny. The notion of virginity and honor is based on misogyny. We have to look deep into how the root is misogyny which feeds into culture and religion which then enables perpetrators.