There will be a national enquiry into the grooming gangs

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/14/keir-starmer-national-inquiry-grooming-gangs

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YABU: this was unnecessary
YANBU: this was the right thing to do

What's a racist thrower?

Did you read further on ? And you did indeed try to make out the ethnicity and culture of the offenders had nothing to do with "race" ? Is that not an indirect accusation of 'racism'? 'forgot what you wrote....?

One hurling the accusation of 'racist'. I had put racist in inverted commas to express speech. But you're correct perhaps I should have put "racist"

Right, got it. It makes more sense in context within a post.

Yeah I read it it went on about xenophobia.

I haven't made out that I have acknowledged that in some posts but you have ignored that clearly. I have said the culture of all offenders is hatred of women! That is the reason they do it!

The ethnicity of offenders I have discussed too. I have discussed about the different ways that the data can be used and how each portrays different things including race. You failed to read that because you have a bee in your bonnet as I mentioned other things than you'd like. I haven't said that the pakistani gangs didn't do what they did because of race. I said they all did it because of misogyny which it the underlying issue in race and religion. If you think some religions are centred around equality you are very much mistaken. The whole reason for religion is to control women - so misogyny! So yes I very much talked about that but you didn't understand that religion is built by men to control women and that was the point I was making and that culturally all societies have been built around controlling women. So yes I very much did mention culture - the culture of misogyny!

The enquiry is into grooming gangs so why are you pissed when I talk about grooming gangs?

@Fetaface there have been accusations of racism in this thread - both overt and implied- every time the race of the perpetrators was mentioned. This has been a major reason why the authorities did not tackle the issue properly.
You deployed a different tactic of whataboutery and deflection .

Jess Phillips was on Newsnight last night, apparently feeling like she's done all the right things.

The inquiry will look into White British grooming gangs as well, presumably.

Exactly. Some uncomfortable truths will emerge from this.

No Muslim-sounding names, that’s why.

Oh I have seen that. I have been accused of racism on this thread.

Maybe ask for a change of title on the thread if you want to focus on one group.
You are allowed to talk about one group - pakistani gangs but the thread is about grooming gangs so that is what I will talk about.

Did you miss the bit where they said from a majority white country, there is a disproportionate percentage of Pakistani men committing these crimes? Selective data you're choosing.

I see her comment made you uncomfortable.

I think that’s why Labour and others have been trying very hard not to have an enquiry, with use of far right etc

This isn't accidental or stupidity, this is the strategic myopia that is utterly shameful and endemic within our institutions.

Standard slippery lying politician.

I don't know how many times it's been said, most recently in the Casey report, that we simply don't have the data to assert with confidence anything about ethnicity. A couple of police forces have collated some data on ethnicity and it does appear that men of Pakistani heritage are disproportionately involved but that's not definitive.

I was sceptical about this inquiry, because there have been about ten reports and investigations and nothing of note was implemented. However, they're saying that there could be prosecutions of those who covered this up. I'd be absolutely delighted if these institutions and individuals were held to account. I'm not holding my breath though.

We know that most people who are stopped and searched are white, because this is a white majority country.
But we know that black men are disproportionately more likely to be stopped and searched.
Do you think focusing on ethnicity there was pointless @Fetaface ?Because following your logic, we should be focusing on white men being the victims of heavy handed policing, since white men make up the majority of all people who are stopped and searched

I'll repost my earlier comment for those coming back to the 'all lives matter' arguments.

We’ll await the outcome of the inquiry.

Nope I do not think it is pointless. I think it should be included as part of the enquiry.

I haven't said we should be focusing on white men at all. Not sure where you have got that from.

Sure Nazir Afsal wouldn’t be of that opinion if it was Muslim girls and white men

I’m yet to hear a Labour MP say anything else even as they move from one position to another on a raft of things.

If I was a black mother I would be happy that my black son was being stopped as it’s predominantly black boys who are killing each other with knives at the moment.

One can whatabout all over the threads until heads are spinning, but the poll is not lying, 92% in favour. And MN is a progressive place.

It is high time to talk openly about cultural differences in the UK (which is not racism, it's about culture, not colour), about the neglect of the white (ex)working classes, about the sheer contempt for these children, who have been let down by everyone, time for some people to admit these inconvenient truths do exist and, hopefully, get their head around basic statistics.